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  1. I need some advise on what to do with my time for the next 5 months. I applied to PA schools during the 2016-2017 cycle and received multiple rejections and one interview. I am still waiting on hearing from about 9 schools but I don't want to sit idly in case I do not get an acceptance. I want to start preparing for the next application cycle. I applied with the following stats: overall: 3.54 science: 3.28 BCP: 2.98 GRE: Verbal: 159, Quantitative: 152, Verbal: 4.5 HCE: 1400 hours through scribing I have since gained another 300-400 hours of experience by scribing and have recently started a medical assistant job (with which I will have 6 months experience prior to reapplying in 2017). I had not finished a course in Genetics prior to applying to these schools and received an A- in the lecture (3 credits) and a B in the lab (1 credit). I'm not sure if my GPA will improve with these two classes but I wanted to take another class to increase my GPA and increase my overall application. Unfortunately, my local school does not offer Biochemistry in the Spring semester. I had received two C's in my undergraduate classes (Biology and Microbiology). I was thinking of retaking one or two of the classes in the spring 2017 semester as they offer it locally. Do you think this is unnecessary as the new grades will be averaged with the old ones and even if I receive an A, I will be averaged out to a B? Or should I try an online Biochemistry class even though some schools do not recommend online core science classes? Should I try and take another science class that PA schools recommend like Orgo 2 or Abnormal Psychology? What do you recommend I should do so I can improve myself for next cycle? I would really appreciate any advise!!
  2. Hello need advice currently a junior in college recently transferred to a different school and changing majors. My main focus is my GPA in order to get into PA school my first try. My GPA isn't too great right now thats the reason why I'm mainly focused not that. Currently my GPA is a 3.0. My major was biology and i stuck in between changing my major to B.S in public health or either BSN. Currently I would have to wait to get accepted into the entry level BSN program at UTA which is only 15 months online which is why I'm considering this option and that I can have a job once i graduate if i don't get accepted my try for PA school. Another reason I pick B.S in public health is because I can easily get a higher GPA with that degree. Just need advice on which route I should take...??? And I currently have 500 HCE doing Patient Care Tech/ Medical Assistant work & 20 hours shadowing a PA.
  3. I'm considering applying for Master's programs before reapplying to PA school next year. I have applied to PA schools twice, the first year with only 1 interview and then waitlisted, the second year 3 interviews all of which I was waitlisted. It is starting to become clear to me that my gpa is what is lacking while my healthcare experience is my strong point. Ideally I would love to continue working while enrolled in a Master's program, but the only realistic way of doing that is completing one online. Does anyone have any suggestions for online programs? One's that have ultimately lead to more acceptances? I am also considering in person programs as well. I fear the possibility of having to relocate with on campus programs and having to refrain from working during that time though. But I am open to any suggestions! On a side note, I am also considering taking additional pre req courses that I have not taken (genetics, organic 2, biochem, abnormal). Ideally I would like to take these in person as well but it was impossible to register during the regular fall or spring for courses at my only 4 year university close to home as a non degree student...I was only able to get into 1 summer course so far. Are taking courses at community colleges looked at the same in this case? I've taken courses through UNE online and I didn't do as well with the online format as I had wished I would.
  4. I just heard about this from faculty here at Case. Does anyone have any information?
  5. Hey guys, I'm new to this forum so hopefully I'm posting in the right place...I had a few questions that I would really like some insight on. I'm currently working on my undergrad and will be 22 years old this year. I spent 4 years at a community college and didn't do that well for multiple reasons: joined the Army Reserves and left multiple times for trainings, wasn't entirely focused.. etc. Consequently, my first few semesters consisted of a lot of D's and F's. About halfway through my time there I took an EMT class. I became an EMT shortly after that and absolutely loved it (and still do). From that point on I revived mainly A's, a few B's and one C for the next 4 semesters which was about 65ish credits. These consisted of several science courses. Total at this school I would say was somewhere around 110 credits. I finished this school with a 3.29 GPA according to my transcript, however when I calculated it it was 3.10 . Anyways, in the beginning it was around 1.2, so I worked extremely hard to pull it up. Around my last few semesters here I really tossed around the idea of going into medicine. I had always wanted to be a doctor since I was young, so I took about a year to narrow in on one specific career. Alas, the idea of becoming a PA was born lol. Medicine is my passion and making it a career was a no brainer. Anyways, I started at a university in Fall of 2015 to obtain my bachelor degree. As a result of the past, I thoroughly understand the need for a strong GPA. In my first semester I did ok, 3 A's but unfortunately a C and a D, both in science classes. Reasoning for this: I had just moved across the US right as the semester begin, and then moved two more times within the state during this semester. I also have a chronic illness that is well managed now, however, I found out that I was severely deficient (levels around 100) in vitamin B12 (unknown until about Dec 2015...) which robbed me of much of my energy. Not placing any blame, but just trying to explain why I received the grades I did since it is uncharacteristic. GPA for this semester was 2.67. Half way through my second semester here and I am receiving all A's in my 6 science classes. I am doing a Biomed degree, so the coursework is rough. But on the bright side I have a lot of science classes left to help pull my GPA up. So I calculated my cumulative GPA from the community college plus my GPA for my first two semesters at the university, and it is about 3.1. My projected GPA for graduation is 3.25.. that is close to the highest I could even get it by receiving mostly A's with accounting for the occasional B, possibly 3.3 or 3.4 if everything is an A, but with about 70 more science heavy courses, that's it's a stretch. A little about myself... I have been an EMT for two years and in the Army Reserves for 4.5. I am in good standing with both of those jobs. I took an international medical volunteer trip (would prefer not to name countries for confidentiality) in January 2016, will be taking another in May of 2016 and another in January 2017. I enjoy these trips so much, and I plan to make them a part of the rest of my life. As in, I am not doing these just to help my application, I LOVE helping these people, and with or without PA school, I would be doing them. I have also shadowed a few times but am planning on doing more. So... hopefully that's enough info. Any input would be great. I would love honest opinions on how you feel this will effect my application to PA school, if you were reviewing my application. I have spoken to a few advisors, as well as a PA who sits on the application board, and they all feel I'm a very good fit for the profession. However, I'm just not sure how I look on paper. I plan on applying to PA school in May of 2017, and will take my GRE this year. Any suggestions, comments, questions are welcome. :)
  6. Hi everybody, I have a few issues regarding my GPA and lack of HCE. First, I am 31 years old now and deciding that I want to finally pursue a medicine degree in the form of a physician assistant. My first run at college out of high school back in 2003 was less than stellar. I was young and very undecided in exactly what I wanted to do, although I have always loved medicine. So that being said I ended up dropping out in my spring semester and instead of withdrawing I just left, thus a massive hole in my GPA started. I now have a 1.26 GPA from my first college and a 2.63 from my second college which I did obtain an associates degree in electronics. Since going back last year I have taken A&P I and II, Microbiology, Statistics, Gen Psych, Developmental Psych, Med Term and English. I finished this year with a 3.97, my only A- was in med term. I have been shadowing a pediatrician for around 6 months and have around 250 hours with hospice for DPC time. I am also volunteering at the local women and children's hospital in the E.R. and PICU departments, which will give me an additional 80 hours of DPC for when I apply. All of this is happening while I work 45 to 50 hours a week and try to spend as much time as I can with my kids and wife. Will programs look beyond my academic past? What might my chances of getting into a school be? Thanks a lot everyone!!!!!
  7. Hello everyone, I have recently decided to portray a degree in ESS that is designed to get (help) me into PA school. However, before I made this choice, I was pursuing a BS in Computer Science. To make a long story short, I failed my second CS course and my Calc 2 course because of personal and educational issues. These two courses are not required for PA school, but I'm worried if my grade in them will reflect on my acceptance into a PA school. I'm wondering if anyone has experience this? What do I need to do? How can proceed to becoming a PA?
  8. Before I begin, let me start by saying the PA profession is something I have wanted to do since my senior year of high school. I am about to be a senior in college and am still a PA-hopeful but my science prerequisite grades are what's stopping me from continuing on this long journey. I have failed two, not one, but TWO prerequisites: statistics and chemistry. I have received two D's and a few C's and a few W's. Something in me says to keep trying by retaking those courses. I am willing to put in as much time and money as it takes to get to where I need to be in order to apply to PA school. I am doing awesome in my other courses which suggest perhaps I should pursue other professions before straining myself with the science courses. I'm just wondering if any of you think I still have a shot at this point. Given that I will take several years after college to retake those courses, get my science GPA up, log in those HCE hours, volunteer, etc, etc. But will admission officers even look at my application given my horrendous track record? Not so sure... Thank you all in advance.
  9. Ok so I have one semester left and a summer class to do. Approximately (12-16 credits) left depending on some courses. My GPA is at a 3.627 and I want it at the 3.6 range for these programs. I am just wondering about the GPA most students get in. The programs say one GPA,but I know they get in at a way higher GPA.
  10. How do you think my chances are? I have a 309 combined GRE score 3.17 cGPA 3.3 sGPA 3.6 (last 60 hour GPA) Bachelor's in Health Science Paramedic for 4 years 13,000 Patient Care Hours 24,000 HCE hours 35 shadowing hours (PA) 800 volunteer hours (scout leader) I'm concerned about my lower cumulative GPA...what do you think?
  11. Hi PA Forum community! I stumbled on this website during my research about the PA profession about a year ago and would read through these forums on the daily, but I never had much courage until now to actively seek out some help! I really want to get into PA school but I don't have the most stellar GPA. I will be graduating Stony Brook University next week but I had a first 2 years in college, unfortunately leaving me with only a 2.7 GPA :( My grades did, however, increase my last two years of undergrad. I have been a pharmacy technician for almost a year and a half, but I know that doesn't really count towards HCE. I will be starting work as a medical scribe in the next few weeks to help me get HCE for the next year or two. I've also been on a medical mission during my undergrad as well, and I've been shadowing one of my professors who's also a PA. I can't decide on how to help myself raise my GPA. Some forums say that applying to post-bacc programs are not worth it, but some say they are. Some forums say that I should just take non-matriculated classes. I just really want some solid guidance as to how I can pursue the next few years of my time to gear myself up for PA school, academically. If you guys also know of any programs that would be helpful for me on Long Island, or NYC that would be really helpful as well. I'm really determined and I work really hard. This is something I really want for myself and I just want the best advice. Please don't tell me not to pursue this career path. I've shadowed PA's and I really can't see myself doing anything else. Thank you so much to everyone in advance for your help!
  12. I'm changing career, and need a blunt assessment before I even begin applying. My undergrad GPA is around 3.35, for both cumulative and science. I have the appropriate HCE for select schools (Peace Corps). The problem is my MPH GPA (3.2). I was working (data analysis and biostatistics, doing it for 9 years) while attending a top 10 school. Not the smartest decision, but I had to pay the bills. This doesn't change my overall GPA, but as I've heard grad grades are considered inflated and downward trends are app killers, should I even bother applying to PA schools?
  13. Hello, I graduated with a very low GPA due to nothing but poor study habits. After retaking a few classes since graduating, I've raised my CASPA cGPA to 3.3 and sGPA to 3.1. Because this is still very low compared to the average accepted PA applicants, I expect to get a lot of rejections from many schools. With Western U's grade replacement, my cGPA is 3.48, sGPA is 3.52, and pGPA is 3.56! This puts me around the average of the school's accepted applicant stats. My question is, will the grade replacement really put me on the same playing field as people who have CASPA GPAs of ~3.5, all else being equal? Will it prevent my application from being automatically discarded and help give me a shot at an interview? I have ~1100 as a Medical Assistant Any feedback/advice/encouraging anecdotes would be appreciated. This school is my top choice - I absolutely loved the environment during my visit and I know an awesome PA who graduated from here (the one I'm getting the letter from!).
  14. I really want to apply this year and see if I get in. My GPA is very low with a cGPA of 3.19 and pGPA of 3.09. I have 500 hrs as a pharm tech, 200 hrs as a volunteer, 50 hrs as a CNA Seeing this, I know I would have to work on my HCE 2-3 years in order to get into PA school. My question is, even if I put in the commitment of working 2-3 years and accumulating HCE, will it be worth it??? Seems like the average GPAs to get into PA school are getting higher and the average HCE among applicants are getting lower.. I am also considering going into nursing first and working a few years to get experience, raise my GPA, and pay off my undergrad loans before applying to PA school. Please let me know what you all think.
  15. Hey everyone! I am a currently as senior Biology major, getting ready to graduate this upcoming December. I'm starting to get everything together for the CAPSA application that is getting ready to open up. I'm been stressed a lot about whether or not I will be able to get into PA school so I wanted some input on if I have a chance of getting in. I currently have a 3.96 GPA and if everything goes as planned I should be able to graduate with at least a 3.9. All of my prerequisite courses for PA school are done and I made A's in all of them except for 1 B (Ochem 1 lecture). As far as "clinical experience" I have about 500 hours as an ER scribe but no actual hands on patient care. I am trying to volunteer at a local clinic which will allow me to take vitals etc to at least give me a little more experience. I am going to be completing a shadowing program this summer that will be around 120 hours, although I will only be shadowing physicians. If anyone has gotten into PA school with only scribing and shadowing hours please let me know! I haven't been able to shadow a PA yet and I was wondering how crucial this was to the application process. I have a strong recommendation letter that I can get from one of my professors but I'm not sure what to do about the other 2. Also, for those of you that have been scribes in the past have you asked the doctors you have worked with for recommendation letters or your chief scribe? I was just curious. Sorry for all the details and questions. I've just been really stressed out about this lately and wanted to hear from others who have gone through or are going through the process. I am planning on applying to Methodist university, East Carolina University, Eastern Virginia Medical School and possibly South University. If anyone has any schools they know of that accept scribing hours please let me know!
  16. Hey everyone, I'm currently preparing for the upcoming application cycle, and have been anxious about my chances due to a couple of lower grades on my transcript. While I have all As in my biology courses, I got a C and C- in Organic Chem 1 and 2 respectively. I didn't retake them because I got an A in Biochem, and I know many programs will take Biochem OR Orgo. But now I'm starting to worry that these grades will stand out and that I may be "weeded out" of the application pool. I plan on applying broadly, but would like any input anyone may have. Thanks in advance!
  17. Hi everyone! After reading every day for the last 2 years I finally decided to make an account and post. I am in a tough spot right now in terms of when to apply, or what my next step should be. I'll post my stats below. Undergrad Ed School: University of Pittsburgh, B.S. Natural Sciences (Graduating this Spring) Cumulative Undergrad. GPA: 3.15 Science Undergrad. GPA: 3.05 Just a bit of a background on my low GPA...I sucked my freshman year. Absolutely lazy. But I've stepped it up since and have A/A-/B+ in the upper level courses (Ochem, A&P I & II, Patho, Micro, Nutrition, Med Term). Age at application time : 22 if I apply this coming cycle 1st GRE: 301 (4.5) 2nd GRE: Definitely taking after graduation Direct Patient Care : Nursing Assistant at a Assisted Living facility - 700 hours and counting I have volunteer experience in a special program that does involve patient contact. The University of Pittsburgh PA program accepts this as direct patient care. - 150 hours and counting Extracurricular/Research Activities:​ 3 years in non-clinical Obstetric research, abstract presentation at a professional health conference - working on my own paper now that I hope will get published, President of my school's PA program, multiple volunteer activities/events, regular hospital volunteer - 60 hours, 20 hours shadowing. My issue is that I don't know if I should even bother applying this cycle. My GPA is so low and the averages at some of these schools are much higher. Should I retake the basic pre-reqs or continue with upper level courses? Also I would like to switch up my patient care experience. The assisted living facility is nice, but very repetitive. I was considering clinical research that would involve some phlebotomy? Here's the job description to a job I'm considering applying to: ​"As part of the Obstetrical Specimen Collection Unit, this research assistant will be responsible for attending births in the labor suite and operating rooms, collecting and processing placental and cord blood samples, and drawing and processing maternal blood" Let me know what you all think! Thanks so much :)
  18. Recently I've decided to pursue the path of becoming a PA, however I am in need of a few pointers in getting the right direction from here. I currently have a 3.5 GPA and 4.0 in science GPA (however I have only taken a handful). I'm hoping to graduate with a 3.7GPA. It would have been higher by now but I had to deal with a few very hard family and personal matters which hindered my GPA for one semester. My major is a bachelor of science in psychology. I'm well aware that it would have been better to have a science degree, but I've heard you can get in with any major as long as you have requirements filled. I have a bunch of volunteering hours outside of mental health (community events etc), and some shadowing from a PA. As for a letter of recommendation, I already have one from a professor. Also have a few extra curricular activities with the national leadership society. My main problem is that I'm lacking on hands on experience with patients. I'm not sure what jobs would help fulfill that requirement with my unfinished degree. One medical student recommended to start as a medical scribe. If needed I can take a year off after I finish my BS in psychology and work as an assistant in psychology. I'm just very unsure where to get most of this hands on experience without getting some sort of medical certification (which I'm not opposed to). Another problem is that I'm from a rural place in the US, so I'm not sure if schools would look down on that aspect. As you can probably tell I'm mostly interested in mental health. I like psychology, however I found myself drawn more to the medical aspects rather than just therapeutic methods. Right now I have around 2 years left to build any lacking experience for applying. That's calculating in the time to take classes that are required for applying. If any of you guys have any extra tips you can give me that would be great!
  19. Hello, I hope this finds everyone well. I am now 38 and decided on a career change and thus have been taking prerequisites at a pretty decent community college in NYC, which I am almost done with. I have several issue at the moment: 1. Every time I look at the program of my choice website, a new prerequisite appears; last year they were different than this year so there are always classes I am missing and can not apply 2. I want to work with patients already and a phlebotomy program is opening up and thinking of registering but it is not cheap and do I really need it? 3. I have about 65 hrs of shadowing and the doctor trained me as a medical assistant: cleaning the room, taking temp, BP, simple eye chart exam, this is pediatrics 4. Feeling inert and stuck, just want to move forward already, still taking 2 chem classes 5. my gpa is 3.909 for about 60 creds (mostly pre-reqs, science + others ) but my bachelors in art gpa is only 3.3 Should I proceed and register for the phlebotomy course? I need something to happen. Getting a little depressed waiting for 3 years already with the fall semester still to go. Any advice? I feel that although my gp is high, the schools are so competitive and need to have some extra skills. So tired of waiting, getting old here:(
  20. Hello all, I'm planning to apply for 2016-2017 cycle. Just wondering: 1) Is there a way for me to calculate my CASPA GPA ahead of time before registering/using the CASPA website? I've seen the CASPA GPA site calculation and it is a bit confusing to me. Does anyone know a simpler explanation of how I can calculate? I have a bit of a low GPA and just want to be sure I am hitting the program minimums. I have a 4 yr university bachelors GPA, and have taken/retaken some prerequisites at a city college. How would I calculate my GPA including the grades from both of these colleges to get a single cumulative GPA and science GPA? 2) As for Letter of Recommendations, are there certain components/prompts for what the author of the LOR must include in the LOR? I've been looking at PA program websites and don't seem to find any "prompts," but just the amount of LOR's required. If there are no guidelines whatsoever, are there any recommendations anyone has on what kind of things I should request in a LOR?
  21. I am a 26 yr old career (paid) Firefighter/EMT-B with just about 2 years of HCE hours due to my EMT portion of the job. I have a bachelor of science (non science) from back in to 2007-2011 with an overall gpa of just over a 3.0)... I did however minor in Psychology so I have all of the Psych classes and the Statistic classes taken care of. While in college I took human biology and environmental biology *Both with labs* and did not do so great (freshman year was a mess) received a 'C' in both of those classes. It looks like I would have to take 5 or so pre-req classes in order to apply to most schools. (chemistry/a&p/etc) The department i work for now has offered to send me through ALS school in order to obtain my EMT-I and P starting summer 2016. All in all this should roughly take about 2 years to complete all the coursework and training required thru my department. HERES MY QUESTION: Should I hold off on taking pre-reqs and accept the offer to Medic school? spend 2 more years getting HCE and boosting my rep from a EMT-B to a Paramedic and THEN take the pre-reqs and apply? (By this time ill be 29 or so years old - so by the time i finish the 5 prereqs ill be looking at 31-32 yrs old at time of application)... OR Should I hold off on Medic school and start taking the prereqs immediately and bank on using my EMT-B HCE hours to meet school requirements? Does EMT-B vs Medic hours really make a difference? (If i did it this way i would be able to finish pre-reqs by 28-29 years of age and apply) Is my overall GPA of a 3.0 too low anyways? > Will my pre-req classes add into my overall GPA (raising it hopefully - even if i Aced all pre-req classes it still would only bring my GPA to around a 3.4 or so)? Will schools count my two biology classes (that i got "C"s in) as "science GPA classes" and disqualify me because it isnt above a 3.0? or will they only focus on my recent pre-req science classes? Lots of questions, I appreciate all and any reasonable responses. M
  22. What fields are of these positions found in? I am guessing mostly in the emergency room? Are there any other fields that have schedules like this? Whats your work/life balance like?
  23. I'm a first-semester student in a fairly new PA program. I had a 4.0 GPA for all my postbac coursework (40+ credits), but I'm struggling just to keep my head above water. I'm not failing any of my classes, but I'm afraid I might wind up with below the minimum 3.0 GPA this semester and be on probation. My program allows you to be on probation only once during the entire program....if you fall below a 3.0 a second time, you're out. At least, that's the policy as stated in the student handbook. So I'm wondering: if I do wind up on probation, do I cut my losses and leave the program at the end of the semester? If it seems I'm at risk of dropping below a 3.0 a second time and getting booted, this would seem like the best option rather than to waste more time and tens of thousands of dollars. On the other hand, I do know that: 1) other students are struggling with grades, and 2) from all I've read, PA programs will do everything possible to not lose students. Our cohort has already lost two (ostensibly, one for career choice reasons and the other for health reasons) in the first 7 weeks. Can anyone (especially those of you who are done or nearly done) shed any light on this? Thanks!
  24. Hey all, new to the forums and I had a question regarding PA admissions, PA school, GPA, etc. To give a little background, I'm not your typical applicant. I graduated from college in 2004 with a BA in Economics and Business, and then spent 8.5 years in the Army as an Officer. I got out a few years ago and went private sector, but realized the business world wasn't for me. I had long been interested in PA (mostly due to my overwhelmingly positive experiences with them in the Military) but I thought that without having a science or medical background, I was just too far off the beaten path. Enter my cousin in law, who is older than me but has a very similar background: Commissioned Army Officer straight out of College, had a BA in a decidedly non-science or medical major (world history, I believe), no medical experience besides combat life saver (CLS) courses in the Army, but he got out of the Army, went to school for his pre-reqs, got into PA school (with basically no HCE besides shadowing), and is now a practicing PA. Here is my question: I'll be the first to admit I wasn't the greatest student when I was in College 11-15 years ago (I sometimes joked that my major was "I need a degree to become an Officer"), and although I graduated with about a 2.87, that was because I re-took several courses and my school took the higher grade (and I know CASPA will factor in both grades). However, now that I am back in school taking pre-reqs, my grades have been excellent (all A's and B's for science courses). So my question is: considering that my academic performance right now is excellent but it wasn't 14 or so years ago, how badly is that going to affect my chances? I know much of it is automated, but wouldn't admissions offices pay attention to the fact that I'm a significantly better student now than I was over a decade ago, or is it all the same to them? Thanks for everyone's help!
  25. Hi everyone, I could not find it in the forums, but how do PA schools look at pass/fail courses. There is this one course I would like to take as pass/fail during my last semester of my undergraduate career. I simply want to take it for interest without it affecting my GPA. It's not a requirement for any of the schools I am applying to. Should I avoid taking a class as Pass/Fail? How would this affect my caspa GPA? I noticed in their website that a pass would be considered a 3.0, but I read somewhere else in the caspa website that it does not affect the gpa. I am a little confused which one it is. Thanks!
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