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  1. Completely agree, the PA just feels like they are being backed into a corner. In our state, PA's don't have their own DEA numbers yet, everything is under the physician, so the PA feels like they will still have to see/prescribe meds because the actual script is written under the physician (who obviously at this time doesn't see an issue with any of this). Personally, I suggested they just refuse to do it if they aren't comfortable and let the physician see the patient if they want, and otherwise say its a conflict of interest and that as a policy they won't prescribe meds to any employee. Total agree though, our office isn't the best as respecting the PA's boundaries in general.
  2. that is why the PA really, like REALLY does not want to see them for anything other than to discuss procedures or something like that. They have gone to the owner of the practice who said that they didn't even know the employee was on narcotics (being prescribed by others in the office, from uppers to downers kinda thing) and they feel very backed into a corner so to speak because by law we can't find anything that is against it. They have tried going to everyone possible stating that they don't feel comfortable taking over medications or prescribing them and no one seems to be having an issue with it, we were told to treat the employee(s) like any other patient the second they get into the room and adjust medications as we feel fit. It just screams ethical and lawsuits to us, and we aren't sure where to turn.
  3. OK so posting for a fellow PA because we have tried relentlessly to find laws regarding this. Are you (legally) allowed to give fellow employees chronic narcotic prescriptions? From what we have found, you are allowed to, but must see the patient and keep active charting on them. If so, as a PA, are you required to do so if your attending physician agrees to this? Currently working in pain management, and we do not have a specific office policy regarding this, but cannot find any laws in Florida against it. The PA is incredibly uncomfortable with doing so and doesn't agree with it (thinks that it is blurring the lines too much), they have no problem seeing patient and discussing other treatment options (ie injections/epidurals,etc), but feel uncomfortable giving out narcotic prescriptions to fellow employees who currently work in the same office. Anyone have any experience with this or know how to deal with this situation? Office manager has told us to see the patient regardless and warn them that they "highly recommend they not take medications at work".
  4. I haven't heard as far as specific hospitals or sites, but I know they do give you a preference sheet. One of the PA's I know who graduated from this program said she did a rotation in downtown chicago, also had some rotations within the 60mile radius of pcom, but Alaska used to be an option too. She said they do try to match your preferences if possible.
  5. Definitely keep going!! Keep taking other upper level science classes that will factor into your gpa's. The good part is that the science classes you have done well on more recently will go into when the school calculates your gpa for their pre-reqs. I'm in the same boat, I applied the first round and got nothing but denials. Did my master's degree in a science-related topic and graduated with a 3.9. Look into schools where their overall/science gpa is lower, and schools that take a more holistic view at looking at an applicant. Also - every semester I tried to improve another thing on my application, where it is volunteer hours, patient care hours, grades, etc. Just keep going, get an awesome statement down, and contact schools before you apply. Talking with them ahead of time can also help you to become a familiar face/applicant before you apply and maybe it can get you a little further. If you apply and get denied from everywhere (like I did the 1st time) contact schools to see what you can improve upon. Some will straight up tell you there is no hope and its purely a GPA thing, others will give you some pointers and help you in the right direction. It'll take time, but don't give up if its your dream. Good luck!
  6. Completely agree with ACNPstudent! If i were you, I'd definitely go bsn. I did a biology degree for my undergrad and it's useless (for the most part) in terms of getting a job inbetween you graduating and getting into a master's/some sort of graduate program. BSN will give you tons of experience, allow you to make connections during your clinicals (never say no to connections!) and give you so many more options. My cousin was pre-med/biology and switched 2 years before graduating to do her bsn instead and loves it and her options for graduate schools when she is ready. I wish I had done the same, if for nothing else than to be able to work as a nurse before getting into grad schools.
  7. I struggled with this myself. I'm 27 so not much older than you. My entire family is either physicians, pharmacists, NP's or nurses. I always grew up wanting to go to medical school until after college. For me, at least the way healthcare is right now, I'm happy I'm pursuing a PA degree over MD/DO. Personally, I've watched my father own his own practice and work his butt off for over 20 years now. I'm at the point in my life where I want some control over my life (and outside of work life ie: i want a family and children) and I don't want to have to put that on hold until I'm in my 30's. As a male that may be different, and yes - females can have kids during school, I just know myself and personally that isn't how I want to try to balance medical school and a residency. I also have worked with enough PA's that have both loved their job and were miserable - i completely agree that finding the right "fit" is essential. I know in my dad's speciality, they train their PA's when they hire them and they also give their PA's a lot of free reign (aka you see your own patients, you do rounds, you come to physicians if you have a question or need help) kind of thing. I've also been with PA's who are treated terrible and spoken down to 24/7 who hate their job mainly because of the lack of freedom in their environment. I also don't want to accrue over $300,000 in debt right now. Sure it depends on the school, but I have neighbors who are in their 40's who still have over 250k of debt and can't get out from under it. Money isn't everything, but both PA's i work with now have been working for 1-5 years and are barely able to pay their interest off on their loans (plus a little extra). I hate owing money, let alone huge sums. I know I'll have to take out loans to pay for school either way, but I don't want the extra financial burden when I'm trying to build a family and buy a house.
  8. Eh, personally I disagree. To each their own and every school/committee is different. I understand the importance of PAs being in the primary care field and how crucial they are when it comes to family med/primary care. I have nothing against working in that field, I've worked in family med for many years and have nothing bad to say about any provider who works in family med. I also don't think that when you get an interview you should straight up lie. If that's your thing, then good luck. IMO, although I am not on a committee, this a mutual thing. Would you really want to attend a program that lied to you while you were applying and then was completely different once you paid your tuition and you couldn't drop out? I doubt it. I also doubt a school wants to waste time investing in a great student if they find out you lied to them. Interviews are a mutual interview, you're interviewing the school and the school is interviewing you. It does no one any good when either is sitting there lying. I guess its more of a personal view of what your answer should be in the situation where they would ask you that. Personally, if you've worked for over 5 years in primary care and genuinely don't see yourself working in it, I'm all for the "let me use my rotations to see what interests me the most/where I best fit" and maybe start in a ED type of position rather than straight up saying family med. People change their mind after rotations all the time, no doubt about that. Committees also look for applicants who have done more than just shadow a few PAs and give generic answers - they also look for applicants who are dedicated to this field and know they want to work in it/can prove it.
  9. I completely agree with how you answered the question for your interview, that is pretty much what I was getting at before. Everyone has told me to say either what I truly have an interest in, or say I want to use my clinical experience to determine if I want to specialize in a specific area. I was told to at least have an answer of some sort, not just say "i don't know" type of deal.
  10. Just curious, is there a reason why you heavily advise to say that you want to go into primary care/family med regardless of what you are interested in? I have read a few other topics on this thread that say to answer honestly not fake an answer, and physicians/PA's that I have spoken to have also said something along those lines, and to give a field of study rather saying "I don't know". Just curious on your opinion :)
  11. Finally have an interview!! So thankful at this point, any advice? I've been looking through the tips in the forum since I found out yesterday afternoon. I just don't want to sound like a robot!
  12. Hey! I figure I will put my 2 cents in here, since I'm kinda in the same boat. I have my B.S. in biology, I had a downward trend w/ GPA as I went through college (opposite of what they wanna see) and my overall and science GPA were both below 3.0 when I graduated. I applied a few cycles ago (to schools like you are saying, plus some) and got about 20 rejections, no wait for even an interview. My biggest advice - don't get discouraged, but be prepared for the rejections. Like you, my PCH are very high, it was over 10,000hrs when I applied the first time. Many schools, if your cumulative GPA isn't over a 3.0, your application will automatically get rejected. be prepared for this, there is a good chance they may not ever see your PCH, even if they are stellar. Since I was a bio major, I had already taken all of the pre-reqs, and passed them all with at least a C. CASPA just averages all the grades together, which I'm sure as you know when you accumulate a lot of courses, even straight a's moves your GPA very little. Personally, I decided to get my masters degree in a science based subject. I worked full time, also a mom to a special needs child (hes 6 now), completed my MS and since it was a science degree, almost all my classes were science classes. My cumulative science gpa moved up 0.6ish after completing my degree, and I graduated with a 3.9. My graduate science GPA is a 3.92, and even though my undergrad science hasn't really changed, it is all about the schools you apply to. In my opinion, I didn't want to just show schools that I could re-take an undergrad science class, get an A, and have it average out to a B, which in turn still wouldn't move my GPA much. After last round, I contacted all my schools asking what I could improve upon for the next round (all of them said gpa). I was on this forum, and honestly I don't remember who posted it, but they said that they also had a lower GPA, and when they were trying to raise it, each semester they would improve their application little by little. I took that to heart and applied it as much as possible, I've obviously improved my GPA, I've increased PCH hours, volunteer hours, etc. Every aspect of my application I've added more hours to, I re-did my PS, all of that. Put in the work, and it will show. Definitely contact schools if you get rejected and see what you can do to improve. I wouldn't send out the 40+ applications this round, save it for next round. But show them that you're interested, that you WANT to improve your application, and kick some ass in your classes (sorry for the language, but really, just want it with every ounce of your being).
  13. Also something to consider - many PA applications (at least some of the ones that I have found) will ask if you have ever applied to PA or MD/DO programs at that school before, some ask you to list them. If this is the case, you really need a strong reasoning of why you were applying to medical schools for 2 rounds, and then started to apply to PA school. As others have stated, definitely more patient care hours. your volunteer hours are fine, for clinical/non-clinical setting. you will need the GRE, most schools do not take the MCAT as a replacement for that, otherwise look at schools that don't require the GRE. If you somehow get into medical school this year, will you go? If the answer is yes, why are you seriously considering applying to PA school? It just seems like you're young, straight out of college, and just want to get a degree and start working, without really caring if its PA or MD/DO.
  14. Verified and completely done within 3 business days!! The first time I applied was before CASPA changed everything around, and it was literally at least 15 business days (3-4 weeks) for the applications to get verified. I agree though - contact CASPA with any doubts. I emailed them last night just to double check something and had a reply by this morning at 9am. Much faster turn-around times and response times than the previous application cycle that I went through!
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