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  1. My apologies I couldn't respond sooner, life is busy when you have a full time job and a 2 year old and a pregnant wife That's the problem, millennial's DO need insurance. I should know, I'm a millennial. Before last year I had never been hospitalized, never had surgery, never been to an ER. Then out of the blue I had a high fevers (104, not able to control with max Tylenol dosage) with fatigue and no appetite for over 2 weeks. After a couple of visits to the UC then the ER with negative flu tests and clean blood tests, I was hospitalized for a week and had every test under the sun and IV antibiotics for FUO. It cost tens of thousands of dollars. If I didn't have insurance, I don't know what I would have done. Luckily I have a good job and can afford the 5K OOP max, but what I can't afford is ten times that in medical bills. It's easy to do, too. Millennials can get cancer. Millennials can break a bone and require surgery. Of course insurance will have limits, and much smarter people than I can figure out how to do that. But private insurance makes money by denying care and only cares about the bottom line. Capitalism and free markets have many benefits, but it isn't exactly a free market when it comes to healthcare. You don't get to choose what hospital you're taken to when you're having a heart attack, you can't make sure you anesthesiologist is in network when you're having an emergency appendectomy, etc. Please listen or read some of these horror stories with medical bills, it's awful. People are suffering. I don't believe we can't do better than now. I don't believe that we can't succeed with universal healthcare. Having unique DNA is not a life. A single cell is not a living person. Does it have the potential to become a life? Of course. But when it becomes a living person in the womb is arbitrary, practically we use birth as the measuring stick because that's when baby is separate from the mother. If it's a life then should we start giving out social security numbers to anyone with a positive pregnancy stick? When I was talking about the reasons for the abortion, I was referring to late term abortions which only make up 1% of abortions. I'm sure most first trimester abortions are due to timing, financial reasons, unexpected, etc. Abortion should be rare because there are better ways to avoid having a child. Abortions take a toll on the mother emotionally who has to make a difficult decision, it's not without risk, it's expensive, it's uncomfortable, etc. I don't LIKE abortions, and I don't think the majority of people who get abortions do either. I don't want my wife or sister or friend to go through that if they don't need to. I just don't believe that it should be illegal. Because like you discussed about doing the "least bad thing", I think access to a safe abortion is better than a backalley abortion. I think allowing a woman who was raped an abortion is less bad than forcing her to carry through term and then forcing her to either keep the baby or put up for adoption. I'm gonna be honest, I wish you had just used the "We can't understand his plan" line. I thought God was benevolent and just, but you're saying he either is he causes death and despair (or allows it to happen) to convince other people to believe in him and you're okay with that. That just makes him sound like an evil, narcissistic and vindictive dictator. I completely understand the comfort and guidance that religion can provide. I believe in freedom of religion. What I also believe in though, is freedom from religion. Religion shouldn't mix with politics, laws should be based on evidence and logic. The founding fathers believed in separation of church and state for a reason. When I said murder, I meant killing another person, not the legal definition. I can see how that confuses things. My point was that killing another person is wrong, but there are exceptions. Anyway, I have a rough week ahead of me so I don't know if I'll be able to respond. Hopefully some of what I said makes sense. Regarding abortion, I understand that if you believe life begins at conception then you are just trying to protect a life. I get that, I don't think makes you a bad person. What I believe is irrelevant. I just don't think making an abortion illegal solves any problems, it just causes more. As for universal healthcare, we'll see what happens in the next few years. Americans deserve better.
  2. Admittedly, the analogy is not perfect. I think we are getting way too off track with what's a right and what shouldn't be a right. Let's just say universal healthcare. So because it might not be better we shouldn't try? Covering the 30-50 million that are uninsured would already be better, in my opinion. I agree wholeheartedly that most politicians suck, but you can't compare the PROCESS in which the ACA was passed to the process which Republicans tried to pass their own healthcare bill. Death panels? So private insurance companies trying to deny care and limit coverage any way they can is not a death panel? So we have learned that you believe life begins when an egg is fertilized and you would not allow a woman who was raped to have an abortion. To me, that's unbelievably cruel to force a woman to carry and deliver a child that was a product of rape. I hope no one you know has to go through that, and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. To answer your question, I believe life begins at birth so if the mother decided not to have an abortion, she can take care of the child or give it up for adoption. It's not my place to force my beliefs about abortion, it's her decision. You or I can't begin to imagine the emotions and turmoil and difficulty of the decision she has to make, and should not have a say in what she can and can't do. The vast majority of abortions occur in the first trimester (over 90%), and about 1% occur after 24 weeks. I would imagine most of those are likely due to fetal abnormality or maternal risk. Why let the fetus continue to develop if you want to abort? And unfortunately, many red states pass restrictions and decrease access to an abortion which does just that. If someone put a gun to your head and forced you to kill a living infant child or abort a fertilized egg, what would be your choice? (Don't tell me you can't make a choice or would let them kill you, just a thought experiment). If you believe life begins at conception, that life is worth exactly the same as the infants. If you choose to save the living baby, then you understand that the two "lives" are not the same. If you agree that they are not the same, then we realize that deciding when life begins anytime before birth is arbitrary. I'm confused, so you're saying an all powerful and all knowing and benevolent higher being allowing a miscarriage, or a child to develop cancer is natural and perfectly acceptable? We're here discussing whether an abortion of unborn fetus should be legal or not, but we don't have the same standards for God? And please spare me the "we can't begin to understand his plan" line. "Killing a baby" is an insulting and inflammatory phrase. I hope that you are more respectful of others choices in real life, especially in a professional setting. You don't know what other people have been through, even people close to you. Don't judge. You just said we don't need an exception to murder, but said killing in self defense is an acceptable reason. That's the definition of an exception.
  3. That is very unfortunate what happened to your mom's best friend, that's definitely paternalism and should never have happened. We need to allow patients to make their own decisions. You say you won't harm your patients through inaction. Isn't refusing to do the physical exam inaction? I mean, they are just going to go somewhere else, aren't they? Wouldn't the action in this scenario doing the physical, making sure they are healthy, and discussing with them the dangers/risks of the sport? In the grand scheme of things, this is really inconsequential though and you should do whatever makes you comfortable.
  4. Look, abortion has nothing to do with universal healthcare. It doesn't have to be covered. Having said that, here's an argument about whether abortion should or shouldn't be illegal. 1. If you believe your religious book is infallible and nothing you read will change your mind, read no further. There's no point in having a discussion about it. 2. I believe life begins at birth, anything before that is arbitrary. When does life begin? A 24 week old fetus who can only be kept alive thanks to modern medicine? An 8 week old fetus with a "heartbeat" that is really just a clump of cells contracting? A fertilized egg? An unfertilized egg or sperm? This is a philosophical/theological discussion and not practical. Many people think heartbeat is the answer, are patients on an ECMO or LVAD not alive? What's special about the heart? 3. Most people believe there should be exceptions to abortion, such as rape, incest, life of mother, etc. These are again, arbitrary. That means views are fluid. Who determines what arbitrary risk has to be to the mother for an abortion to be okay? After all, childbirth is a risk. Why should a fetus conceived by rape or incest be punished? How do you know if a rape really occurred? Many women don't report sexual abuse, and if they do court proceeding can take months, even years, not allowing time to get an abortion. 4. If you believe abortion is evil and God is all powerful, doesn't the high rate of miscarriage make God evil? There are always exceptions to the rule. Murder is bad, sure. But what about murder for self defense? What about an accident? What about the soldiers in the army who have to kill? When it comes to abortion, a huge concern is timing and privacy. It does more harm than good to make abortion illegal or to restrict/deny access.
  5. No, just stop. A "right" does not make it slavery! When the government forces you to become a doctor and does not pay you for your work, then it is slavery. Under the Bill of Rights, we have a right to bear arms, correct? Never have I seen a gun manufacturer complain that they are slaves. Where did the right to bear arms come from? Did we not as a country decide what are our rights? I don't care if you want to call it a right or a benefit or safety net, but having medical insurance for all US citizens is a start. Don't get so hung up on the word "right". Just because universal healthcare might be flawed, doesn't mean it won't be better than what we have now. We tried to do it the incremental way with the ACA. There was months, if not years of discussion. There was dozens, if not hundreds, of amendments made to appease Republican congressmen and senators. In the end what happened after the last election? A new healthcare bill was tried to RAM down our throats, they didn't give enough time to READ the bill before they have to vote on it. They didn't allow Democrats to even look at anything. There was literally changes made in pen. In the end, what happened? The bill thankfully failed, but Republicans gutted ACA rendering it nearly useless. Exactly. You didn't directly choose what's covered and what isn't. The same way you wouldn't directly choose what is and isn't covered under universal healthcare.
  6. So you would rather have an increase an increase in unsafe, backalley abortions to feel good about passing strict abortion laws rather than legalizing it, regulating it, and working to decrease abortion rates through proper sex education (read: abstinence only education does NOT work) and contraception? I'm not sure why poor people not having access to care is a benefit of capitalism. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but the Bill of Rights only applies to Americans. I never said you shouldn't be allowed to join a medi-share, I said that doesn't solve any problems. Rev said you don't need insurance, but he has a medi-share. When you signed up for your tricare, or your hospital healthcare insurance, or your wifes, you're telling me you had a say in what was covered? You said hey man, I'm not going to sign up unless you put a max of two organ transplants for everyone else on this insurance and they agreed? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Medicare has significantly less administrative costs than private insurers. Why can't it be scaled up? Also, if universal healthcare can be done in other countries and not financially oblierate them, why can't it be done in the US? We can spend 700 billion dollars a year on our military budget but can't afford to provide healthcare to those in need? I don't believe that.
  7. Of course, that's what is great about America. We don't have to agree. It doesn't cost anything to stay civil to each other. As for why it's a fallacy, I can't explain it better than Wikipedia: A slippery slope argument (SSA), in logic, critical thinking, political rhetoric, and caselaw, is a logical fallacy[1] in which a party asserts that a relatively small first step leads to a chain of related events culminating in some significant (usually negative) effect.[2] The core of the slippery slope argument is that a specific decision under debate is likely to result in unintended consequences. The strength of such an argument depends on the warrant, i.e. whether or not one can demonstrate a process that leads to the significant effect. This type of argument is sometimes used as a form of fearmongering, in which the probable consequences of a given action are exaggerated in an attempt to scare the audience. The fallacious sense of "slippery slope" is often used synonymously with continuum fallacy, in that it ignores the possibility of middle ground and assumes a discrete transition from category A to category B. In a non-fallacious sense, including use as a legal principle, a middle-ground possibility is acknowledged, and reasoning is provided for the likelihood of the predicted outcome. This is an awful, awful argument and Rand Paul should be ashamed of equating universal healthcare to slavery. Wow, just wow. Were you FORCED to become a PA or a doctor? No. Do you have ability to change your profession if you wanted to? Yes. Are you FORCED to accept Medicare, Medicaid, or work at the VA, which are examples of socialized healthcare? No. Are doctors in Canada and Europe FORCED to be there? No. Again, slippery slope. Universal healthcare does not HAVE to include sex change operations. That specific example is from a prison, and they are using an argument regarding cruel and unusual punishment which only applied to people who are in jail/prison. It has nothing to do with universal healthcare. Does Medicare/Medicaid pay for sex changes? If not, why should universal healthcare?
  8. Rev, I'm not sure if you're misrepresenting or misinterpreting what I said. When did I say you do what the patient asks? Boats talked about forcing a devout Catholic to perform an abortion. I said that if you can't perform and abortion to save your patients life, you should not be an obgyn. Also, your attitude towards boxing/MMA physicals borders on medical paternalism in my opinion. They are not asking you to stand ringside, you're not assisting by doing a physical and making sure they are healthy. It would likely be a better outcome if you did the physical and discussed the risks of concussion with them. I also am very cautious with my prescribing, I want the benefits to outweigh the risks. Since I started working 3.5 years ago with my orthopedic surgeon, I've worked with him to decrease post-op pain meds. It is about 25% of what it used to be, and most of the time patients don't need a refill.
  9. You realize that slippery slope is a fallacy. It's hilarious that as soon as universal healthcare is mentioned, people go on all sort of tangents. Who mentioned free stuff? Not once did I say anything about healthcare being free. Is it free now? Why would it be free in the future? Is the 800/month my employer pays for my premium and the 200/month that I pay for my premium to a for profit insurance company free? Why would a government option be free? That money has to come from somewhere. What are you talking about? Who is turning providers into servants? You love talking about personal responsibility, maybe if your religion prevents you from performing your job, you should choose a different career. No one is forcing an obgyn to do an elective abortion, but if you can't do an abortion to save your patients life, then you should not be an obgyn. And as far as I know, sex changes are only performed by very few urologists due to the complexity. Not sure why universal healthcare would change that. My definition of hurt is not feelings, it's when it adversely affects a group of people. What some one the right don't understand, is that banning or decreasing access to abortion does not decrease abortion rates (which have been decreasing since the 80s). Don't worry, the rich will always have access. All it does is increase back alley and unsafe abortions. The real way to decrease abortions is proper sex education and cheap and easily accessible contraception. I'm not hear to solve the worlds problems, the US has enough problems on its own. The vast majority of developed countries have universal healthcare, whether it's a single payer system or two tier system or insurance mandate. I'm not here to argue what should be covered and what should be elective. Who is stopping you from joining a medi share or paying for others medical bills? Do you have health insurance right now or a medi-share plan? If you have health insurance, did you have a say in what's covered or isn't covered? Why should you personally have a say if my insurance covers my cancer treatment or organ transplant? Maybe my medical team should determine the chance of success, QOL, etc. Why do you keep bringing up sex changes like it's the most common medical procedure? Does Medicare or the VA pay for sex changes now? If not, why does a universal healthcare option have to pay for it? When you talk about freedom, you don't see that universal healthcare would be increasing our freedoms. Our healthcare wouldn't be tied to our employer, we can choose our job without worrying about the kind of coverage a small business or non-profit provides. You can start your own business without worrying how you will pay for healthcare. If all the money we spend on the WC insurance, for profit insurance, and medicaid was transferred to in the form of increased tax to provide universal healthcare, it's my opinion that most people would be better off. Not to mention the uninsured would stop using the ER as primary care visit. You can argue all you want about details and coverage, but I think most people would be better off in that scenario, especially the 40+ million people who don't have health insurance. Not everyone is going to like it, not everyone is going to be happy, but will it be better for the US a whole? In my opinion, yes. Seems like it works pretty well for basically every other developed country. I never said any system is perfect, but I think it would be better than what we have now. But maybe in the US we care too much about our own situation or our specific group that we won't give up any "personal freedoms" to benefit our society as a whole.
  10. I am in no way saying our current system is a good one, but again, you are talking about hypotheticals when all I'm saying is everyone needs insurance. Whether it's through Aetna or UHC or a medi share or whatever else, everyone needs some sort of coverage because you don't know what life will throw your way. Medi share might not legally be insurance, but it's the same concept. You pay a premium each month and cross your fingers that they'll pay out if you need help with medical bills. This isn't a philosophical debate, it's a financial recommendation. As for the whole religious/political discussion, I really don't care what your religion is (or lack of it) as long as it doesn't discriminate or hurt others. I believe everyone in the US should have a right to healthcare, and no I don't believe Christian or Muslim or Jewish or atheist medi share plans have a role. I don't want anyone else deciding what's covered or not, that should be between patient and provider. Don't need other patients or employers or private insurance companies or medi-share to decide what's right for me. I'm not a smoker, but I don't want to deny lung cancer treatment to anyone. I'm not a woman, but I don't want to deny obgyn care to anyone. I'm in a monogomous heterosexual marriage, but I don't want to deny STD treatment or emergency contraception to anyone. If your religion frowns upon something, then don't do it, and don't deny care to others that need it. I would say the same thing to a Jehovah's witness and blood transfusions. I would say the same thing to a Muslim and alcohol detox.
  11. Rev you're still not answering any questions. You tell me I'm wrong for saying everyone needs insurance, okay fine. However, you have a form of insurance and you have not explained how anyone CURRENTLY pays for medical care that can easily be tens of thousands of dollars without it.
  12. Homosexual groups don't exclude heterosexual people, they welcome them. The whole point of their plight is inclusion. They have been excluded and discriminated against, and worse, for a very long time. I can go march at the gay pride parade or go to a gay bar/club, no one is going to kick me out. Women helping women? In the cases of domestic violence and things if that nature, of course it makes sense for only women to be the ones helping in that sensitive time. It's all about context. What hospital are you talking about? Who cares? Because healthcare shouldn't exclude groups, it's basic decency. Especially when it's coming from the largest "group" in the US. I bet you would not hesitate to complain if Christians in a Muslim country were excluded from healthcare, or discriminated against in some way.
  13. You say we don't need insurance, we need affordable access to good care. You say you don't have health insurance, but you really do have a form of health insurance. What does affordable access to good care mean to you?
  14. I'm not saying you literally shouldn't be using your insurance for those things, you should because the negotiated rates with your insurance are usually better than what they're charging unless you get on the phone and negotiate every hill yourself. But that's not when you're glad you have insurance, it's when shit really hits the fan. Yes, everyone needs insurance in one form or another. You choose to do a "faith based cost sharing plan" which is really just insurance lite. The fundamental concept of insurance is paying into a pool in case you're the one that needs a payout. I'm not saying you have to buy private health insurance, in fact I wish we had a decent universal healthcare like so many other countries. I'm just saying you can't squirrel away a couple hundred bucks a month and hope nothing goes wrong. Especially us professionals that generally have good jobs that usually offer decent health insurance (my company pays the majority of my premium, over 500/month). Compare it to not having auto insurance. Sure I might not pay for full coverage if I drive a beater I can afford to replace, but if I hit a Bentley, I'm fucked if I don't have decent liability coverage. You could be the safest driver out there, but accidents happen. And when it comes to medical care, it's often out of your control. If you're dirt poor and a 7K deductible is going to bankrupt you, I can see why having insurance is silly, you're gonna file for bankruptcy anyway. But for us that can afford a 5K OOP Max but not tens of thousands in medical bills like me, I was glad to pay that when I was hospitalized out of nowhere for a week for FUO and had every diagnostic test under the sun.
  15. Not sure what you're saying, firstly you can't have a HSA if you don't have a high deductible insurance plan. If you mean just a bank account you keep on it the side for health issues, then that's another story. Everyone NEEDS health insurance, I don't care how good your diet is. I don't care how often you exercise. You could develop cancer tomorrow. You could be running down the street and break your ankle the next day. There's a million things that can go wrong. Good luck paying for a 500K worth of chemo/rad treatments by tucking away that 400/month you would be paying for insurance. Office visits, surgery, physical therapy for a simple broken bone can be 50K or more. The insurance is not for you colds and ear infections, it's for when shit really hits the fan.
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