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  1. In a class of 50, there are likely several that have not had any issues at all. Many others, though, have had minor issues and others have had the severe slew of issues previously mentioned. Is there hope or signs of fixing these issues? I am sure there are, but there needs to be a major overhaul in the clinical coordination department that will not be easy to make. Changes will not be seen for months (which is probably optimistic in terms of a timeline), so it will be difficult to truly assess if any changes are working towards or against a resolution. I do wish the school would continue on and produce great PAs (their classroom education is great), BUT, changes are still needed.
  2. Great question! If so, I hope that will catch the administration's attention! I don't know much about the PAEA standards, but it's doubtful that there is any way to regulate that.
  3. It is not surprising that the first-year students are mostly oblivious to/unaware of the problems. In my first year I also did not realize the extent of the issues. Placement simply means they have a general "hub" for your rotations, but in no way ensures stability (several students have had to get new hubs after being "placed"). This is a difficult scenario. If it were me, I would pay the deposit for each and choose as late as possible, once you have as much information as you can in regards to accreditation. Will those schools possibly have been approved before Bethel's start date? Are the schools with provisional accreditation new programs or ones that have lapsed in accreditation? Newer programs may also have issues with clinical rotations, depending on the size of the incoming class and the bandwidth of the staffing.
  4. Teaching staff is mostly great. A bit of turnover here as well, but not sure if more than other places where teachers are also practicing PAs.
  5. I don’t believe so. Students already have to set up their own electives, so those should not be limited since the school had mininmal involvement anyways.
  6. Best of luck! Practice interviewing as much as you can, even with general interview questions. Get comfortable with hearing yourself talk. I would definitely not be confrontational about the clinical years, though you could mention that you’ve heard concerns and want to know about stability. Again, there is little that most people would not go through in order to be excepted into PA school. At the end of the day, it’s about getting through PA school and passing your boards, and only partly about what happens in PA school. If you get interview opportunities for other schools, take those as well and gauge what others have to say about those schools as well. The didactic year at Bethel is good, but if you can find a school with a good clinical program as well as didactic year, it would only make sense.
  7. I don’t believe there have been any issues for minorities. It’s rural, but not malicious. Previous staff have been POC and also didn’t comment about it at all, so it doesn’t appear to be a major issues. Much of the town is retirement community, so a lot of older people who don’t give much trouble. Hope this helps
  8. Not at this time. They have limited the states for rotations to help mitigate the issue of being stretched too thin, which is a good thing IMO.
  9. I have uploaded additional information on the general forum for the program (it was posted previously, but seems to have disappeared for some reason). Hope this helps in your decision-making process!
  10. Hey everyone, If you are reading this you are likely looking at Bethel University as an option for PA school or have been accepted already. Before you decide to follow through, please make sure that you take all things into account. Many 2nd and 3rd year students have had major issues with clinicals - these are hard to see as a first-year student and you won't likely get this information from 1st year students during your interaction with them at your interviews. This does not reflect the education received during the didactic year, just the following 15 months. (Please excuse grammar and formatting - this was written quickly, but after much consideration and continued frustrations.) Here are some of the issues with the school during the clinical phase: There are only 2 staff members setting up rotations for both the 2nd and 3rd year students (around 100 total). As a result… More than half of the students have been setting up (almost) ALL of their own rotations (more than 6 months into rotations at this time for the 2nd year students). This is because Paris, Jackson, and Nashville cannot house 50 (much less 100) students from Bethel. You will likely need to set up the majority of your rotations because the school does not have connections outside of that 2-3 hour area (don’t let them fool you!). Several students have had to are relocate STATES with as short as 4 day’s notice. They have lied, flat out. They will tell you they have reached out to your contacts when they have not- that your paperwork has been sent when it has not– that you have “nothing to worry about” when you don’t have a rotation set up for next week’s start date – that they are working “as hard as they can”, yet take time off at the drop of a hat while you are freaking out about not having a rotation in place. We have lost affiliations with very important clinical sites because the ball has been dropped and responsibility has not been taken. The school cannot admit where and when they are wrong. They have a justification for every issue they have and do not take suggestions on how to resolve those issues. They will feed you what you want to hear to calm your frustration, but they will not fix the underlying issues. We have lost 2 clinical recruiters in the last year. The program director recently resigned this summer. There is little stability in positions that are critical for your success! I truly hate that this is the case with the school. I wish I could say I graduated from a school that I was proud of, who doesn't? If this is the only school that accepts you, please take it! The opportunity to become a PA-C is worth it, in my opinion. BUT, if you are accepted into another school, I strongly suggest considering those other options if you do not want to deal with the disorganization and absolute frustration during your clinical years.
  11. Hey everyone, First of all, congratulations on your acceptance! Getting to this point is one of the hardest accomplishments, and if you got accepted, you will likely do well with all of the coursework. One thing I would advise - interview at each place you get an interview. Do not stop just because you have a green light from one school. Yes, it can be expensive, but the investment will be worth it if accepted into another school. $1,000 in the light of the issues the school continues to have with clinical rotations, despite many students' suggestions for improvement, is a small price to pay if you lose the deposit and decide to go elsewhere. I don't want to be a downer on your excitement, but I do believe you deserve truthful information as this will be one of the greatest investments of your life! Be informed, be willing to invest into your future, and enjoy the opportunities you are provided! If you want additional details about what is being referenced, there are other posts (including an upcoming one) on the forum.
  12. Hey everyone, If you are reading this you are likely looking at Bethel University as an option for PA school. Before you decide to follow through, please make sure that you take all things into account. Many 2nd and 3rd year students have had major issues with clinicals - these are hard to see as a first-year student. Please excuse grammar and formatting - this was written quickly, but after much consideration and continued frustrations. Here are some of the issues with the school after the first year: There are only 2 staff members setting up rotations for both the 2nd and 3rd year students (around 100 total). As a result… More than half of the students have been COMPLETELY setting up their own rotations (5 months into rotations at this time for the 2nd year students). This is because Paris, Jackson, and Nashville cannot house 50 (much less 100) students from Bethel. You are forced to set up your rotations because the school does not have connections outside of that 2-3 hour area (don’t let them fool you!). Several students have found out they are relocating STATES with as short as 4 day’s notice. They lie, flat out. There are 2 in particular that will not be mentioned by name, heavily involved in the clinical years, that will tell you they have reached out to your contacts when they have not- that your paperwork has been sent when it has not– that you have “nothing to worry about” when you don’t have a rotation set up for next week’s start date – that they are working “as hard as they can”, yet take time off at the drop of a hat while you are freaking out about not having a rotation in place. The school cannot admit where and when they are wrong. They have a justification for every issue they have and do not take suggestions on how to resolve those issues. The school will listen to you, but no action ever follows the conversation. They will feed you what you want to hear to calm your frustration, but they will not fix the underlying issues. We have lost 2 clinical recruiters in the last 6 months. The program director has put in a resignation for next month. There is no stability in positions that are critical for your success! If this is the only school that accepts you, please take it! The opportunity to become a PA-C is worth it, in my opinion. BUT, if you are accepted into another school, I strongly suggest considering those other options if you do not want to deal with the disorganization, lies, and absolute frustration during your clinical years.
  13. I was originally defensive at the original post, but through time I have understood why it was posted. As a first year student, you are oblivious to all of the issues that the program has with clinicals. As a second year student, your life is filled with anxiety as 2 staff members try to scramble to try to throw you into a rotation that may or may not work out. But hey, you agreed to possibly being moved around all over the country 5 weeks at a time, at your own expense. And 2 people setting up clinicals for 100 students, what could go wrong? By third year you are over it and can't wait to get out. The education is good, 1st time PANCE has been good, but if you want stability for clinicals, this is NOT the school for you. Some of the issues the school has had: expired contracts due to simple neglect, dishonesty as to how stable locations are, and optimism about setting up a new rotation (much less new hub) near home.
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