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  1. hmm... from those I have been talking to it seems a lot of the new grads are starting in the 100-115 range. Again COL plays a role, but even my colleagues in saturated cities say that their new grads are making 6 figs.. Would have loved that when i first started out...
  2. what speciality is this?
  3. When you word it like this it comes off as a more positive, constructive thought rather than the garbage i was reading in the initial post. I definitely agree, there are trends occurring and we as a current generation need to stop these trends. Law and pharmacy were 2 recent trends that had a major spike for a few years, but the rapid influx of new grads triggered the difficulty in finding jobs and the slow downfall. We, as a profession, are no where near that yet, but yes I do agree we need to make changes now.
  4. Ok well don't make it seem like your experiences in the DFW area and Florida market are indicative of the profession of a whole. I know you did not outright say that it was so, but your points in your original post made it seem so. Like i made clear, I know there are things wrong with our profession, I know that people may have higher expectations, and these open forums are a good way to let them be made aware. However the points you make are not unique to the PA profession. When I see a title like that, with a list of 10 things wrong with the PA profession, it makes it seem like you just want to vent about your bad day at work or poor experience, which pure negativity. Florida and DFW are probably THE worst markets for this profession, and should not be considered the "norm" elsewhere.
  5. First off, this a majority selection bias. Yes these are real PAs but there are also hundreds of thousands of PAs that do not go on this site, or do not post about their experiences because they are content with their job. Then you have the few that feel the need to vent about a bad day or bad experience, so they make a post on this site. I am not saying that they shouldn't, but these few posts are not indicative of the profession as a whole. So yes, the points being made should be considered negativity, as I could name hundreds of good things about the profession as well. All I am saying is that this profession is no different then any other profession in the points that are being made. Yes, some of the things you are saying were not a problem 10-20 years ago when some of you started practicing and when there were not as many PA or NP programs up and running yet. But times are changing, and in my opinion, healthcare is changing in a way that is more beneficial for us to be practicing. Like I said in my first post, doctors, lawyers, accountants, teachers, nurses, police officers, etc. all have things that make their profession good and bad. If you scrutinize something enough, you can find something wrong with it. All these points being made are thoughts of negativity. Additionally, I don't see how you can consider these articles "fake news." These are off multiple platforms (non-health related) and were for several years. Yes, dentist, OB/GYN, and pediatrician are on this list. They are good jobs, with good pay, good outlook, good quality of life, etc. I found articles back 10 years ago, where business-oriented jobs dominated the list. However, with the way our government chooses to run, coupled with the fact that people are getting older, healthcare related jobs are taking over. I don't see how it is that hard to believe. I'm not trying to be bias and talk our profession up so much. I'm also not trying to defend the profession and say there is nothing wrong with it. I do believe that times are changing and some things need to be done for the future for us to be able to succeed. However, the negativity that some of you are spitting out, merely thinking that this is the only profession that this is occurring to, just sounds plain foolish. A lot of what is being said is deterring young individuals away from the profession, instead of finding a way to correct the problems that lay ahead. Also, the title of this post "The current state of PA job availability" is totally misleading. This may be the state of the job market in your speciality and in your area, but this is NOT the current state of the PA job market as a whole.
  6. Honestly there is so much unnecessary negativity in one post. This profession is no different than any other profession in terms of finding and keeping jobs. There are going to be multiple people competing for one job, no matter what profession you are in. You are going to have to search, apply, make yourself stand out during the interview, and make sacrifices, just like lawyers, accountants, teachers, etc. If you do not perform up to the standards, or if another company buys out the hospital, being laid off is a possibility, just like other major corporations. That's how the world works. Let's not isolate the PA profession in saying that it is the only profession that you should "be prepared to be let go" or many people are competing for one job. As with any other career, just because you have a degree does not make you qualified for the job. You need to prove yourself. The absolute negativity in these posts I am reading is truly unbelievable. Healthcare is a booming field, especially these days, so no one will be unemployed for long stretches of time, I don't care what you say. You people focus on "how many PAs and NPs are being produced each year," but do not look at "how many people are retiring per year." Our society is getting older and older, which is going to mean healthcare is soon going to accelerate at a pace faster than what it currently is. There is a reason why 19 of the top 25 jobs in America are in healthcare. There is a reason why NP and PA are 2nd and 3rd, respectively. There is a reason why PA was in the top 5 professions for the past 4 years. These are from multiple articles, not just one source. For those of you having difficulty jobs, location is the key factor. There are places where there are 10 PA and NP programs within a 50 mile radius, pumping out hundreds of PAs and NPs per year. Simple solution, look elsewhere. I can tell you that I am out here in the northeast and there is no shortage of jobs. Lateral movement is common here, people are switching for derm to EM to psych to surgery with no problem. Residency is a plus, but is not absolutely necessary. I work in CT surg and we constantly look for new grads to train. Sorry for the ramble, but I needed to speak up and quiet this negativity. There may be certain locations or instances where what some of you say is true, but you can't blame this on the profession as a whole. Certain locations or specialities may be hard to find jobs, but this isn't true of the PA profession as a whole.
  7. Haha I actually heard about this group the other day, and I live on the east coast. Very successful indeed. There are actually quite a few PA owned places here in NY that are doing pretty well.
  8. In the places I've worked in NYC I have had good autonomy. Surgeons would come in, do the surgery, round for 5 minutes, and leave, leaving the PAs and NPs managing the CT ICU by ourselves. It is saturated here though and very hard to find a job, but otherwise I can't complain about the salary or autonomy.
  9. Very good offer. California does have a high COL but nonetheless it's a solid deal in your second year out of school. In my opinion, these are the deals people should be striving for and accepting, not the $80,000 new grad offers that people jump on. These deals are out there, just have to be wise on accepting.
  10. The thing is... both these articles are written by a nursing organization, so there will obviously be bias there. I saw a few articles written by PA-run associations that talk PAs up really well and say the average salary is well above what it actually is, so I would take these articles advertising NPs with a grain of salt. I really do not see the need for this unnecessary PR competition between PAs and NPs. Many SPs and docs in general that I have worked with say that they would rather have a PA over NP any day. Obviously there are a few that would rather have an NP, but at the end of the day a majority prefer PAs. In specialities the docs usually call the major shots anyway, so NPs aren't "running the show." In school I had a few NP preceptors, and they really had no idea what they were talking about. As a student I knew more than they did. They didn't know how to read the EKGs, interpret X-rays, or really know anything about the mechanism of drugs. The only thing they were really better in was bedside manner and patient interaction. This obviously is not the case with all NPs, but I've worked with a good amount and they were pretty dependent on the docs and PAs for help.
  11. makes sense.. as long as you are happy with your job thats all that matters.. regardless it's a good deal either way 115k isn't something to complain about
  12. honestly, i feel someone with your experience should be getting way more. i have friends with 10 years experience who are making 140k +. Some kids i precepted are starting at 115k. Don't know where you live but seems like you should be getting more with 16 years experience.
  13. pretty low in my opinion. Don't know where you live, but i would say anything less than 95,000 for starting new grad hospitalist is sub par.
  14. are you looking to take the full-time offer or part-time offer? are they offering collection bonuses? my friend was in a similar situation with similar experience and he was offered 160k plus collection bonuses. don't know what part of the country you're in but ortho pays big around here
  15. Hey guys, I know that this was probably discussed in the past, but I just wanted to get some new insight. Has anyone here gotten their MBA after becoming a PA-C? and if so, what are you working in now? Both administration and clinically as a PA? Hospital administration? or did you change it up and work in administration in a totally different field? Additionally was it difficult to balance working as a PA-C and getting the MBA? I know many of my colleagues and classmates that I graduated with in PA school who have or are currently working towards their MBA. Some of them are doing it online, while others are doing it part time while working. A lot of them work full-time as a PA and take on a few administrative hours for extra income, working as a senior PA, recruiting/hiring manager, APP supervisor, and even positions on the hospital board of trustees. A couple of them ventured out and have pretty prestigious positions in big pharma administration. The more PAs I meet, the more I notice that many PAs have their MBA as well. Honestly I'm pretty interested in clinical work and combining it with administrative work, so I am considering entering an online or part-time program in the near future. Any thoughts?
  16. Have a couple of friends that work for VEP and they love it. According to them, the list posted above is really just a formality and a way to save themselves during lawsuits. They said that they have good autonomy from what they're telling me. Just saying what they said though don't know if its actually true.
  17. ^^what?! his PA collected 350k? so that means the doc made over 1 mil in a year? Must be a big time psychiatrist in the area or there must not be many psychiatrists in the area... If that's really the case than i should have considered going into psych lol.
  18. agree with EMEDPA.. I practice in NY and many of my colleagues are making 120-130k right out of school. Cap at 141k is extremely low. Many of the older, more experienced guys i work with are making at least 175k.
  19. I had to wait 5 months before I got my license. Multiple problems with accreditation and my school authorization. Worked as a waiter in a restaurant, took advantage of being able to go out each night, and reviewed a few hours each day. Was a pretty good time for me not gonna lie.
  20. I mean that's if you actually live in LA. He's a new grad living 30-45 minutes from LA, so 135 k is pretty good. Lives in a 2 bedroom apartment for 1950/month. He's actually living the dream right now pumping out loan payments and buying an M4 all in his first year.
  21. Just met a friend of mine from California. His new grad offer in CT surgery was 135k in the LA area. 4/5/4/5 schedule, 10 hour days, no required call, optional call only for extra pay. full benefits, health insurance, 3000 cme, 3 weeks pto. Before he'll start making the 135k he needs 3 months training at 50/hr. 135k guaranteed for first 3 years, bumped to 150 k, and if he stays with the team he'll be making 175k after 10 years.
  22. So...Im guessing that the contract is still in the works? Honestly, from what you have said, its seems as though something fishy is going on and I wouldn't want to work for owners who "don't want to get lawyers involved." If you decide to accept the contract if they drop the clause, thats up to you. But don't get desperate and take the job as a last resort.
  23. i think 60 should be attainable, especially in the san fran area where COL is ridiculously high. A few of my colleagues work in NYC getting around 70/hr but has 7 years experience under their belt. CT surgery is a money maker for sure
  24. For comparison, I started in CT surgery as a new grad 3 years ago, salary was 100k but I was required to do 3 12s per week plus one weekend call per month. 3 weeks PTO, 2500 + 1 week for CME, good retirement and health insurance plan. The thing is, I was in Maryland where the COL is still high, but not as high as the SF area. With your contract, salary is good but 50+ hours with exempt status scares me a little. When you calculate your hourly, 40/hr is not acceptable CT surgery wages. You should be getting at least 60+/hr in my opinion.
  25. Thats why i feel like getting an MBA is favorable over getting an MHA, at least for me. Can help me get a health care administration position, but also keep my options open for other positions not in health care. Not saying I want to leave the health care field, but id like to keep options open just in case.