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  1. If you meet commission standards of ar 40-501 chapter 2 and general admin military requirements for commission, then yes.
  2. I can't speak for AF. Army has it set up with tuition assistance that allows you to turn in the pre-reqs to the Ed center for your "degree plan" which allows TA coverage. I would bet AF has similar set up. Email the ipap selection director. Certainly the Airforce has someone that does it. Also, look for the IPAP Facebook page and request to join. Lots of good info on there from AF and Army.
  3. Offer is solid. Friend of mine is looking for $135k and having trouble. He is willing to forgo insurance and still having tough time getting to his number. He wasn't offered the benefit PTO package you were either. Two years in Ortho, looking in the coastal Florida area. Congrats on the new job. Enjoy!
  4. Offer isn't terrible since you liked the rotation and feel the location is ideal. Might counter with a bit higher base but benefits are solid.
  5. I learned more about medicine in 6 months as a solo provider to 400 Soldiers while deployed than in years working in the clinic. Nothing prepares you for being scared like worrying every day about being alone without xray, labs, limited medications. It forces you to do a good history and PE as that is really all you have. We had urine dipsticks, vitals machine, stethoscope, otoscope, opthalmoscope, few other tools. We were two hours by vehicle to nearest next level of care. I had a radio which I could relay messages which doesn't help at all in an emergency. During the deployment I was trained in neutering cats, several dental procedures, lots of random ID and rashes, trauma, ATLS, etc . We had access to an online consult system which allowed me to digitally interact with specialist all over the military and each consult turned into a learning experience. Spent a year in Korea at a small clinic. Not nearly as remote. We had a joint partnership with the Korean national University medical system. Monthly meetings and lectures. Lots of learning with specialists trained at some of the world's best universities. I attended the international military medical conference in Jordan at the dead sea in 2014. Great time. Docs and providers from all over the world. 4 days of lectures on any and everything you can think of. Original research presentations, demonstrations and of course medical sales. Yes, as a PA you will likely deploy. Yes deployments will take you from your family if that is a concern. Deployments will help you grow as a provider in ways that are hard to explain. Working in a hospital with 10 other providers grinding through an Ed shift may sound like a learning environment but it pales in comparison to military medicine in certain situations. There are drawbacks for sure. I have spent 5-6 years away from my family on deployments. Add in the jrtc, ntc, field training etc and I hate to think how much time I have spent away from home. At the same time I would not trade it for being a new grad thrust into the real world fresh out of school to fend for myself.
  6. I have two contacts at Fort Drum. No idea if they can help you with clinicals but they may know someone who can. Shoot me a PM.
  7. Old thread. Check USAjobs. I was in Korea until last summer. They had openings and would hire anyone qualified. While former military would have hiring preference there was nobody applying for these jobs. As long as you qualify for federal employment and are willing to go through the hoops for federal employment and there are openings, yes you could be hired. The pay for Korea was actually pretty good. Not sure if they would hire a new grad. Depends on how bad they want to fill the slot.
  8. Google military pay charts. Public info. BAH rates depends on location. Army offers $15k/year for four year commitment to direct commission PAs. Add BAS which is $254.39 monthly. Specialty pay of $912/month. Add it all up = your pay. As direct commission pay won't be bad. For example: O2 with < 2 years in service $3673.50/month BAS $254.39/month Board cert pay and incentive pays $912/monthly (this is two special pays combined for simplicity) BAH example zip 31419 (Savannah) with dependants $2064/month Direct commission PA bonus (Army) $1250 month (15 k lump sum paid annually, this isn't paid monthly) Total 8153.59/monthly. Roughly $98k per year for 31419 first year. After the first 4 years the bonus could if you choose to re-up for 4 years would increase to $20k per year in 4 year blocks. Base pay jumps every 2 years and again with promotions. Bah increases with rank but varies with zip code. Bas and board cert pay is constant. For example in real life. Me. Over 20 years O3E my total compensation is $112k. I do not have a current bonus which could increase my pay to $132k. Hope this helps.
  9. Re-class to 68k. Medical laboratory technician. This is the single most successful MOS at IPAP. It is or was the longest enlisted mos training in the Army short of the 18 series. For me it was 84 weeks which included BCT and 68W which was required at the time . If you want to go 20 this mos is good for that as you won't be rucking, obstacle coursing, living at ntc/jrtc and you will have time for school. There are 2 68k slots in maneuver brigades and 3 in a CSH. Otherwise all hospital or clinic slots. You can deploy but it isn't common. I deployed to Kosovo and had a good time. Finished 4 college classes while I was there. The education is a 2 year degree but it is nearly all science. I think currently it is through Baylor when I went it was The George Washington University . Virology, hematology, clinical chemistry, microbiology, immunology etc. Clinical rotations for the last 6 months. Then you will work in a clinic for clinical experience which you can log for 2k clinical hours for civilian PA app. Currently the army is waiving time in service requirements for IPAP so it may be an option after you finish school depending on how much TIS you have at completion. If you decide to not go 20, and only 11% of soldiers make 20, MLT is a viable job you can go to school while working and directly transfers to civilian employment. Also 2 years to medical technologist and commission in the US Army. Will also help for civilian PA application. Likely need GT score 110 to qualify. Hit up retention and see what is available. At 9 years you could be anything from e5-e7. May have limits on in/out call. Other options 68P (X-ray tech). Good gig. Similar to above but we had two of these kids fail out of my ipap class. Guess it is common for 68P. Good luck.
  10. It obviously is a bad offer but offers are also very regional. Only the OP can say what he/she would like when it comes to facility/location/pay. If it pays the bills, has a good training structure, location is ideal I would counter with a modest bump on the offer and see where it goes. If this is the only offer after 50 apps and bills are coming due, take it and start working. The no compete is the primary deal breaker for me. How restrictive? Does it include any specialty/position or is it to specific network competitors? When does it go away? If you work two years and fullfil the contract does the clause disappear? It is easier to find a job when employed. If you like the place and location, take it and keep looking if it doesn't work out.
  11. They follow the fed requirement of nccpa and a state licence from any state. No DEA number required for these positions as you work under a generic federal DEA number. These positions are open all along the border. They pay $56.10/hour which is the same for most all fed PA contracts. You have the option to work more, anything over 40 hours the base rate is a bit lower as you don't get the wellness benefit but you do earn it at overtime rates. If I recall from my contract it is 51.xx plus a wellness benefit for the first 40 hours. Total $56.10. 1 year contract. 30 day exit clause. They can let you go at any time. If you don't give 30 days notice they can "fine" you $1k for the cost of credentialing and the background check. Federal background check. Fingerprinting. Drug screen. If you are not eligible for fed employment you can't take the gig. If you have concerning background criminal or bad conduct discharge from military you likely wouldn't be eligible. If you have state license stuff in your past you would still be eligible with an active licence and nccpa. 10 days vacation, federal holidays, 401k but no match, malpractice is covered. No CME, no licensure reimbursement, no other real benefits. I think you also get 5 days sick time annual. For my contract I can make my own schedule from open shifts. Open shifts are enough I can do about whatever day/time I want. 11 different clinics where I am located with the closest about 4 miles from my house. I can work any clinic/shift that is open. Schedule is made 30 days out. W2 pay which means it isn't 1099 and the associated tax concerns. Paper documentation. No chronic management. No pain management. No controlled substances. Rarely see same patient twice. For the military providers - sick call with routine health screenings. If anything looks sick they get shipped out for care. No worries about coding as nothing is insurance. Spanish is nice but not required. For the work - I haven't quite started yet as I am still retiring from the military and you can't work this contract and be in an active pay status for another government org. I know a few people doing it and they seem to like it. Lots of ID. Lots of boo-boos and owies. All ages The occasional zebra. I should be starting 1 December if anyone wants more info later this year.
  12. Several nice things about the military - Don't worry about a paycheck. Don't worry about getting fired. No need to think about clothing options. No issues with insurance coverage. Some complain abouth Ahlta but it works and nearly all your patients will have near complete medical records available during your visit and often times when deployed . Lots others but I'll stop here. One of my preceptors told me during school that I would need thousands of normals before you get good at picking up abnormals. Lung, sounds, heartbeats, labs, x-rays. Judging sick vs not sick The military is nearly all young, healthy and normal. You will get 4 years of nearly normal patients and the rare unhealthy one affording lots of self study time. Some say this makes the transition harder. I tend to disagree. Imagine being a new grad and being thrust into dealing with uninsured obese multi co-morbid patients that you may or may not ever see again. Or take 4 years in the military not worrying about those things to learn how to be a PA. You will have a steep learning curve but it is the same learning curve any other new grad has and you will make the transition much easier after 4 years. After a year or once you get comfortable in your role as a military PA you can moonlight a few shifts a month in UCC/ER for other experience. There are opportunities for those motivated to rotate or help out in specialty clinics if you have willing preceptors. These are mostly unofficial but as an example our Ortho clinic does injection clinic once a week. They will let any credentialed provider help out. Derm clinic has wart clinic, same. Surgery has small procedure clinic, same although they have more residents so a bit tougher to get hands on. You can always help out in ED or UCC on post. IM teams you can tag along although a bit tougher to get good experience due to the hours but it can be done. As a new grad you can get an enlistment bonus l. Army is $60k for a 4 year initial commitment. After 4 years the next bonus is $80k for 4 years. I think they offer some loan repayment and you would earn post 9/11 GI bill which could be used for DSc program or med school if you so choose. Residencies in Ortho, gen surg, ED, education, epidemiology and a few others although they all come with a service obligation which runs consecutive to the initial obligation. I could go on but your best bet is to talk with an AMEDD recruiter to get current details.
  13. 8 years sounds a bit long. Generally 2-3 years in a field would make you very competitive for a new job opening. While 8 would be better, it doesn't take 8 before you don't need a residency. The PA positions are plentiful if you are willing to broaden the search. If you limit yourself geographically or specialty you will have a much tougher time finding a job. If you haven't followed the plight of pharmacists the same holds true. If you want employment on the coasts, good luck. If you want employment in just about any flyover state you are fine. There are parts of the country that can't get good candidates. On indeed we have three listings where I am for jobs in the Dakota's, Kansas, other I can't recall but isn't local. There are plenty of jobs out there. You have to be willing to take them and get the experience.
  14. Seems like a solid offer. Specialty clinic with education goals for a new grad with decent base plus bonus and benefits. Hard to complain. You might ask for a path for benefits after first year. Get the info on retirement benefits. UTD is $500/year if I recall and an excellent resource. Plus getting a funded CME course. Unless the course is local that could total well over $1k if travel is covered. Hopefully there is clarity on the "educational goals" for the quarterly bonus. Make sure this is spelled out. I like the renegotiate second year. If you meet your goals you become much more valuable to the practice. That should lead to a nice bump in base pay.
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