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  1. Hi everyone, I am seeking advice about how to best interpret and utilize the AAPA salary report, and then seeking input on if I am using that to accurately evaluate the merits of my job offer. So, to begin, I am a new grad and will be going into family practice, and I have an offer from a privately owned family practice in a location that I love, with a relatively lower COL than surrounding areas. Regarding the AAPA salary report, I had previously assumed that my target for all comparison tables would be at about the 50th percentile. However, I recently finally read the beginning of the report carefully, and in it, the report itself recommends that someone with 0-1 years of experience should aim for the 10th percentile as their target salary (for all comparison tables that do not already take into account years of experience; on those I am aiming for the 50th percentile); the 25th percentile is appropriate for someone with 2-4 years experience, and the 50th percentile should represent the target salary for someone with about 10 years of experience. Is this how everyone else uses the salary report percentiles as well? And also, the data reported in the 2018 salary report is from 2017 so it is already 2 years out of date.... does this influence your interpretation of the numbers? My offer is as follows: Base Salary: 90k with annual review Bonus: 6K Hours: 4 days/week, 9-6 Call: Take call for your own panel, but advice only; no additional compensation, everyone takes their own call CME: $1000, with 1 week PTO for CME PTO (Vacation & sick): 3 weeks (I need to clarify whether this is truly the equivalent of 21 days; if I am gone Saturday to Saturday - in which my typical schedule is only 4 days in clinic- then did I only use 4 days of PTO? Because if so it sounds like this is really more like 5 weeks of time off?) Based off the AAPA salary report for all categories that are relevant to me, this salary is right on target (or above it), if I am looking at the 10th percentile as my target (as the salary report advises I should as a new grad). Per the report, the 50th percentile base salary and bonus for those practicing in primary care for those with 0-1 years of experience (nationally) is exactly 90,000. (The 25th %ile is 85,000 and 75th %ile is 99,000). Base salary for those working in primary care in my state is 87K at the 10th percentile (new grad target, so mine is above it), 92K for 25th %ile (appropriate for 2-4 years experience) and 104K for the 50th %ile. Overall, my interpretation of the data is that what they are offering me is very reasonable based on my experience, and this is in my desired specialty and location, and hours are great. I've also heard some people offhandedly comment things such as "everyone should always negotiate their salary!", "Always ask for 10K more so they can counter", etc etc. BUT, were I to ask for more (salary), I don't feel confident that I have the data support it. I'd like to ask for some more CME funds, and I still have plenty of things to clarify in the contract. But overall, does this seem fair, and am I interpreting the data appropriately? Thanks for all of your time and input.
  2. Well, great point! Not sure why I thought a title (which I haven't yet earned) was necessary. Thanks for the guidance.
  3. I am starting to put together my resume so I can be prepared to start the job search well before graduation day. However, if I start applying to jobs prior to graduation, what do I list as my 'title' after my name? Do I list 'physician assistant' or 'physician assistant student'? The first seems disingenuous (given that I haven't yet graduated), but then listing my title as 'student' in big bold letters seems like a recipe for getting ignored... given that I am not listing PA-C (certified) is it appropriate to use the title 'PA' without the 'certified' qualifier? Thanks for the insight.
  4. You typically have 5-10 minutes after the lecture ends or during a break to ask questions, and nearly every lecturer has also shared their email and emphasized that they are open to questions from students at any point, so I feel like we have pretty good access. We also have several core faculty members that will teach on their areas of expertise, or other clinical topics; we often had 3 to 5 lectures a day, so i'd say at least half were from other clinicians with specific experience in the given field that is being discussed.
  5. Absolutely -- sorry it has taken so long to get back online here. So, we just wrapped up our summer term a few weeks ago, and that was an awesome, powerful, out-of-your-comfort-zone, can't-believe-what-i-just-learned type of whirlwind; I had a lot of fun and it has been great getting to know everyone in the program. During summer we took a lot of different courses, some of which included.... Physical diagnosis, physical diagnosis lab (learned how to do a complete physical exam), medical genetics, epidemiology (learned how to critically analyze a scientific paper or study), pathophysiology (that was a doozy), pharmacotherapeutics, and of course, a crash course in anatomy coupled with lab/donor dissection. Most days start between 8 or 9 AM and we are in lecture until lunch, (hour break) and lectures or lab through til 4 or 5pm, and Fridays we are typically done by mid afternoon unless you have to remediate an exam. Of course, we also have various physical diagnosis lab practices and lab exams interspersed throughout the week, or time set aside for anatomy prep and/or lab, or occasionally a few hours set aside to study. The exams for summer term were interspersed throughout the week, which was sometimes tough when we had 3 exams in a week (it happens). Summer term is kind of like a crash course 'first pass' of a lot of the foundational information, and now in fall term the schedule is more regular. For example, we now have 'modules' --- right now, we are in the 'allergy, immunity, infection' module --- and we have all of our lectures for the week Mon, Tues, Wed, then Thursday we have more applied clinical medicine courses, where we start practicing to build our differential diagnoses for various clinical presentations; and Fridays we have our exam over all of the material from the week. I obviously haven't taken the PANCE yet, but from everything I have experienced so far, OHSU is a phenomenal program with a plethora of resources for students. We take our exams online to (I presume) somewhat simulate what taking the PANCE is like. Summer term was a whirlwind of information, but everything we will be learning in the modules throughout the rest of the year will continue to build upon eachother. We will end up seeing ~70 clinical cases for which we will build differential diagnoses by the end of the year, so we will have exposure to thinking through a differential. Things that seemed hard at first are now starting to become second nature as we see the same information multiple times as the year goes on. The anatomy course is very intense and challenging, but increased my understanding of the body IMMENSELY, and I know that not every program has an in person anatomy lab or not every program gets to do dissection. We had a ratio of 3 students to 1 donor, and we worked through all the major regions except head and neck (dental students do those dissections, we will look at prosections). Also, OHSU puts together these amazing things called OSCE's (Objective structured clinical exam) that are structured similarly to the MMIs for interview day; we read a scenario, then enter a room with a standardized actor as the patient, and we get to practice our clinical skills. There are so many things that go into this program and I haven't experienced hardly any of them yet, but so far I am beyond impressed. I think it comes down to resources too. When I was applying to schools, I didn't know if it mattered whether I went to a program tied to a medical school or not ------ the nice things about OHSU being such a big institution (in my opinion): 1. We have our very own tech guy (he posts all the lecture videos, links up to the required reading for the day, keeps our webpage working smoothly, etc) 2. We get lectures from experts in their field (i.e., the top pediatric infectious disease specialist who cares for all of the HIV patients in all of Oregon who has 20+ years of experience, for example) 3. The anatomy lab is stunning ------- it is a state of the art surgical suite --- with views of the trees! Anyway, much nicer than a basement 4. Lots of other great student interest groups ---- ultrasound workshops, wilderness medicine interest groups, etc... 5. We get into the clinic right away, as early as fall term, for 'mentoring', so that we can remember why it is we are doing this and so we don't go a full year without being around patients Some of the smaller schools I looked at certainly did not have so many opportunities available to students, and I really think all of these things make OHSU a great program. I had a tough time deciding between several schools, and at a later time I can go into the pros and cons (from my opinion) of each and what I learned from the interview process, if thats helpful to anyone. We just had the first round of interviews at OHSU earlier this week, so good luck to everybody! Cheers! Keep your heads up! Interviewing is truly the hardest most stressful part of the process, but have fun with it and stay posititve :)
  6. Hey there! I'm a current student and would be more than happy to answer any questions you might have. I really relied on this forum a lot when I was applying, so hopefully I can return the favor a bit. We are kept pretty busy, but right now I am procrastinating.... Send your questions my way! I'll try to get back in a reasonable time frame Best of luck on the process!
  7. It can feel like searching for a needle in a hay-stack, but like someone previously said, you can in fact get a job as a Medical Assistant without a license or certificate---- this is what I am doing and it has been an invaluable experience! I would look for small, privately owned clinics --- they tend to have more lee-way in hiring options and not needing to meet some HR "check-box" that you have a certificate or license, for liability reasons. The clinic I work for hired me and trained me, because they would rather have employees who are using the position as a stepping stone to bigger and better things, because it basically ensures that they have engaged, dedicated employees looking to learn and grow! If you reach out to MA positions and let them know that, no, you don't have a license, but what you do have that sets you above the rest is a passion and dedication to learning and exploring healthcare and you are committed to the position because you have a greater long-term goal, etc. Plus your business background might be viewed favorably in a small practice. Anyway --- it is tough to find places that advertise that they will hire you without an MA license, but still worth asking and being persistent. Best of luck!
  8. I am so distraught as I write this. I sat down to do my timed supplemental application and had just completed the first question. On question #2, I believe I double-tapped the text box or hit my "backspace" button to delete something. Next thing I knew, the question changed and I was on #3!!! A banner popped up that read "Backspace Detected" and in my panic and confusion I thought it maybe meant that I should try clicking the backspace, to try to get back to question #2...... DON'T DO THIS!!!!!!! The application booted me off, and submitted!!!!! I only was on for 15 minutes and answered one question. I am so incredibly distraught, and am so frustrated that I will not have the chance to share who I truly am with the admissions committee simply due to technical difficulties. My application may not even be reviewed now! What an utter tragedy. I was using my boyfriends MacBook too, which I am less familiar with, so I think that is part of why this happened. (Double tapping on a Mac must not do the same thing as on a PC.............) I feel sick. Just wanted to share this story so no one else makes the same mistake. You absolutely NEVER want to hit the backspace bar, and be careful where you click....
  9. For the past few years, I have looked to CHA's program as a baseline program for which I would eventually meet all of their requirements (I'm not saying "safety" school because that CLEARLY does not exist and I am still so anxious), but I always thought CHA was an 'easier' program to get in to because they do not technically require health care experience. For those that have said they hear this is really hard to get in to, I imagine it is because so many people apply?? Are their requirements more strict than what is listed on the website? My stats: sGPA: 3.87 cGPA: 3.90 Biology & Anthropology, BA ~2,900 to ~3,500 (if they count til application deadline, which technically CHA does not) PCE hours, as CNA and then MA/phlebotomist 380 hrs HCE as dental sterilization tech in HS ~90 shadowing hours (PA/Physician) ~250 volunteer (non healthcare related) GRE 323 overall Letters from Undergrad Physiology/nutrition professor and 2 physicians I work with as an MA (but no PA letter!) HopefulPAstudent2016, As much as I myself like to be masochistic and compare myself to everyone else's stats (and here I am contributing) I wouldn't. Just apply, because it seems like there are so many factors that go into an acceptance anyway! And CHA's program seems like it has a lot of lee-way in who they accept, considering their guidelines don't appear to be overly restrictive (no PCE required, no specific LOR's required, etc) (I just submitted my supplemental today and am thrilled to finally be playing the waiting game. Now I can go do other things without a to-do list of essays to write-- wahoo!) Good luck and don't stress!
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