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  1. The program is accredited based on the premise they will help APAP students set up clinical rotation sites but LECOM struggles to maintain rotation sites because they refuse to pay the hospitals that take their students like most other medical schools. They also refuse to pay for proper staffing of their clinical education department to set up and maintain rotation sites. They have 2 to 4 people setting up 12 months of rotations a year for 800 to 1000 students (3rd and 4th year medical students, pharmacy students, and dental students from the Erie campus). That's at least 9,600 individual r
  2. I'm sure it varies from year to year and I don't have an official statistic but it was not unusual for at least 3 of the 12 to drop out. The class above me lost at least 5 APAPers. Our class lost at least 4 that I can remember.
  3. Yep, matched anesthesia. I never took the MCAT or applied anywhere else. The non-primary seats are definitely more desirable and are the first to go. If you apply early and bolster your application the best you can, it increases your chances of getting one of those non-primary seats. On the flip side, there is not a great retention rate for the APAP class so if you wait long enough, you can probably just get a non-primary spot if you took a primary care spot initially and one of the non-primary people drops out (known to happen). Thank you and best of luck!
  4. Just graduated not too long ago from APAP. I haven't heard of anyone who was completely unable to set up their rotations. Although, it can be a frustrating experience studying for boards AND setting up rotations at the same time. COCA ain't happy about APAPers setting up their own rotations and the thought when I graduated was that they were phasing in core sites for APAP students... but just at Millcreek Hospital in Erie for APAP students. Nothing was ever concrete when I left and I'm sure CoVid through a wrench in the plans. Who knows what will actually happen with CoVid likely ruining
  5. Sounds like these were some sick patients and who knows what would have happened if you acted sooner. You'll exhaust yourself focusing on the "what if's". I did that for years. Also sounds like you are given a lot of responsibility in a small rural community hospital to be covering the ICU by yourself with phone back up with only 1.5 years of experience. That's a tough job from an experience standpoint alone. All you can do is learn from the experiences and how you feel now. Look towards the future and think about what you could do better. The first 3-5 years of being a PA are the harde
  6. Something similar happened to me years ago. I was told that I would be rounding on weekends and taking first call for minor problems after I worked with the practice for a little while even though when I interviewed I was told I would not. Very frustrating since I had asked before I signed that those details be included in my written agreement (no contracts for us). I was denied the opportunity for such details to be included in my agreement and the hospital certainly didn't care when I expressed my frustrations and asked for more compensation. There was really nothing I could do but chang
  7. Safe to say that the first two years will consume the vast majority of your time. I studied for 3-5 hours per week day (in addition to the class requirements mentioned above) and 8-12 hours per weekend day. Overall, I took the first two years pretty seriously and would equate it to a 50-70 hour a week job depending on the week with very few days off. Don't think I every took a full day completely free of academic activity off. Being a PA helps but it's not a cake walk since there is increased emphasis on science stuff that was probably glossed over in PA school. Third year can be as
  8. Yep! Matched into anesthesiology at my first choice residency!
  9. Also a LECOM Erie APAP-er in my 3rd year. Agree with everything above. 1st two years are basically the same as everyone else in your class. You're treated as one of the pack. The third year, the last year, is all basically core rotations with only one elective. I did rotations between 1st and 2nd year and haven't heard that that was changing but I'm also on my way out the door! Any questions, let me know!
  10. @Ohiovolffemtp and @SedRate gave excellent advice and I agree with what they have said, especially the bullet point list @Ohiovolffemtp did! Just as a little background, I graduated from PA school then went into practice in cardiothoracic and vascular surgery for a few years. During that time I would moonlight in the ED on weekends before I enrolled in LECOM's APAP program (PA to DO in 3 years instead of 4). I am now in my last year of med school and graduate in May. Heading off to a residency in Anesthesiology in July. The decision to do PA vs MD/DO is one that I thought about for pr
  11. Didn't read the whole thread but I would have been very interested in doing a PA Anesthesia residency prior to going back to medical school. There is certainly a market for it. It really just makes sense to me. I even looked into the PA to AA program at Emory and seriously considered it. However, it was just easier and made sense logistically to go back to med school for me rather than do a PA to AA bridge program since I don't believe AA's can practice in my current state and I didn't want to limit where I could work. In regards to the training during PA school to prepare one for an
  12. Can confirm that here in Western PA, the hospital ED's are similar - slower than ever. Weird how amidst a national emergency, some ED's are almost empty in anticipation of a flood of infectious patients.
  13. Current 3rd year APAP student here. If you already took all the prerequisites and are about to take the MCAT, stick to that plan and apply to both MD and DO schools. Currently being in the midst of residency interviews, the weight of almost any MD school is greater than any DO school. All the residency programs became governed by the ACGME (think MD accreditation for residencies) this year so a MD degree and the USMLE has become much more important. The DO bias is real and you need to score 10 points higher on the USMLE exams (Step exams) than whatever is competitive for that specialty
  14. Yep, Pennsylvania is pretty saturated because of all the PA schools in the state, esp in Western PA. Agree with everything stated above. Would also strongly advise asking for more than 2 weeks PTO and clarifying if you can take it in chunks of 1 week to 2 weeks at a time. 2 weeks PTO seems like the entry level amount for Western PA, unfortunately, but would still ask for at least 3 weeks even if in Western PA. Or even asking for an increase in the weeks of PTO after 1 year of working. The non-compete clause you described is ridiculous and a 3 year contract for a first job seems li
  15. Hello. I am interested and in process of applying for LECOMS APAP program. Any tips regarding their interview? Do they allow you to rotate in your home state? Any info will be much appreciated! Thx..berta


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    2. CVTSPA

      It's actually not as competitive as people think as most people don't want to live in Greensburg, PA and most people applying already have families or are used to making above average income.  Once people start crunching the numbers and realize they will be taking a step backward financially for about 10 years or more, they pull their application.  Or, quite commonly, about half the APAP class drops out by the end of the first semester once they realize medical school isn't a cake walk and you are forced to go back to learning basic science concepts for two years.  Even if you don't get one of the 12 spots, they will probably offer you a four year position (bec the PA med students usually significantly outperform the others) and traditionally once someone drops from the APAP program, you can slide right into their spot.  They usually offer the four year position with the same requirements as APAP.

      My recommendations for getting in:

      1. Apply the day primary applications open up.  Lecom has rolling admissions and if your application is the first one they see, you'll get an interview earlier and offered a position earlier.  By the same regard, respond to the secondary application immediately.  It shouldn't take more than 30 minutes to fill out since there is no essay requirement for the secondary application (at least when I did it).

      2. Get a letter of recommendation from a DO physician.  Does not matter if they ever worked with you or even know your name.  Lecom is all about osteopathy and this is a requirement to getting accepted despite whether or not they tell you that you need one.  

      3. If your MCAT/SAT scores are on the lower side, consider taking the pre-requites either before applying or being in the process of finishing them by the time interview season is wrapping up.  It brings you up on the list.

      4. On the interview, they will ask some stupid questions about professionalism and ratting out your peers.  Make sure you emphasize how important professionalism is, how you would help a peer do the right thing (wearing a tie, buttoning a shirt, report themselves for cheating, etc) and you would consider reporting it if they did not.  I assume this is a result of the sex slavery case involving two lecom students back in 2008... but you aren't supposed to know about that!

      5.  If you have to meet with Dr. Thomas (the program director) at Seton Hill during the interview, he likes to have his ass kissed and he likes it when you agree with him about how PA's are not to be trusted. This is practice for a future life at Lecom.  The program director changed within the last year and the program is taking a new direction that is not ideal.... less opportunity to do specialties as he believes 3 year programs should only produce primary care physicians. 

      For reference, I had a 3.9 for undergrad and grad school.  A 600 in each category of the SAT.  Little volunteering.  And I worked in CT surgery and EM while a PA.  However, you sound like a good applicant and if you do the above, you should get a position if you want it.

      Good luck!


    3. ryanpb09

      Nick, this is quite useful and I can’t thank you enough for the ‘inside scoop’! How did you fare in the match? 

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