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  1. Yep, the former PA med students are usually among the best students in the class, shouldn't they want to show us off to clinical sites to build a better reputation for the school? If the now 6-7 APAP students left in my class year are causing that much of a problem with taking other LECOM students' rotation sites than there must be a bigger problem.
  2. Yep, the recently eliminated the other pathways for the APAP program and now you can only do PBL at the Seton Hill campus. My understanding from people I've talked to is the the Seton Hill campus is a more friendly environment but I obviously don't know since I've only been at the Erie campus. The PBL pathway is supposedly decent at Seton Hill but I've heard that the one at the Florida campus is ideal (not an option for APAP). Don't let my words discourage you if you want to do anesthesia! Anesthesia is DO friendly and you don't need high boards scores to match, especially if you are willing to go almost anywhere. The LECOM APAP program is still the best deal in town for PA's going back to medical school for the reasons you mentioned (no MCAT, less rigorous class requirements, one less year, etc). I still don't regret my decision to go back to medical school based on my personal situation. I just want people going into the program to understand some of the pitfalls before they get there because no one warned me about setting up my own rotations, needing to be in class during finals week for a mandated lecture on financial management, the fact that there is this obsessive compulsive need to have you in the classroom as much as possible, needing to do an 8 hour class on pelvic exams on a randomly assigned Saturday, needing to take a preclinical review class with mandatory attendance during "dedicated board study time" instead of just letting me do my own thing like most other medical schools, having 4 hours of OPP lectures/lab every week even this semester when I'm focused on board studies, etc. Most rotation sites I call inquiring about needing a rotation gives me the same response, "Normally, the school does this. Why are you calling us?" But the fact of the matter is that they need to place you in a site if you do not fill all the rotation slots otherwise the school looks bad in the eyes of the AOA. So they will eventually give you rotations in an untimely fashion (April of 2nd year with rotations starting in May of 2nd year).... but they will probably end up being in Erie, PA if you don't set them up yourself (which is fine with me because I only care about where I do my two anesthesia rotations).
  3. I wish I was only in class in the mornings 4 hours a day! There are three pathways: Lecture-Discussion Pathway (LDP), Problem based learning (PBL), and dependent study pathway (DSP). I am in the LDP pathway which is mostly classroom learning so I can only speak from that perspective. First year, I was in class from 8am to 5:30PM most days with the occasional day ending at 3:30 PM or starting late at 9AM. In second year, I'm essentially in class 25 to 40 hours a week with a random 8 hour pelvic exam course on one weekend day. They purposefully fill up all your time so you always have something new to learn (that isn't necessarily important for taking the USMLE or COMLEX). Usually an exam every Monday with a potential for a random lab practical or lecture quiz every week or every other week. Working a job, let alone finding a job to match your ever changing class schedule (seriously, they change the class schedule weekly) is very difficult without sacrificing your grades or board study time. There is one nurse in my class (LDP) who works 15-20 hours a week and you can literally see the exhaustion on his face and how much he has aged in the last two years. Don't think he is doing great in school. Even if you do they other pathways, PBL and DSP, there is still a requirement to show up for probably about 10-20 hours worth of classroom learning each week in addition to your course load for the semester (completed on your own fyi) and board studying. There is a big problem with random gaps in the day with LDP. For example, a one hour class in the morning followed by a two to three hour break then 3 hours of class in the afternoon. The breaks are usually not even in the schedule, the lecturers will just finish early sometimes and say, "Take an early lunch! See you in the afternoon!" It happens usually at least once or twice a week. Very aggravating. For APAP, there are essentially no breaks. You get a week off the summer between first and second year and 1 week of independent board study time between second and third year (most people just take their boards that week). Problem with APAP is that during that week between second and third year, they schedule you for a 2 day History and Physical Course (8-10 hour days) to prepare you for Level 2 usually before or slightly after you just completed level 1 (within days). Winter break is usually 2 weeks though. The curriculum overall is not very conducive to free time or flexibility....
  4. Completely agree with this. Give LECOM a call and see if they would take the PANCE/PANRE in lieu of the ACT/SAT. They may be willing to work with you if you never took the ACT/SAT.
  5. If you have already completed the prerequisites for traditional 4 year medical school programs, it's probably in your best interest to go to one of those schools if you get into one them especially if it's a school with cheaper tuition than LECOM (ex. some schools in Texas).
  6. That is exactly what I said. "I'm paying the same tuition as everyone else, why am I at the bottom of the list for rotation placement?" The reasoning is that I complete a doctorate level degree in 3 years that normally takes 4 years so my 4th year of medical school is viewed as a scholarship for about 55k (tuition plus living expenses for one year). Therefore, I am responsible for finding potential rotation spots, calling office managers, filling out paper work, and securing the site. It's not exactly ideal for board studying. They also gave us a list of APAP preceptors but it seems like most of the ones in the Erie/Pittsburgh area are LECOM affiliated so once again my classmates get precedence over me for those spots and I have to wait until March/April to figure out if I can rotate with those preceptors.
  7. Dual residencies that include something other than a primary care specialty are not allowed. The agreement is that you do primary care (and only primary care) for 5 years after finishing residency before you pursue a different specialty. I don't know how or if they can actually enforce that. For example, if you match internal med then do an internal med residency, can they pull your medical degree from you if you then pursue a GI fellowship subsequently within 5 years? I have no idea
  8. There was a lot that I didn't know about the APAP program before I started. Something else worth mentioning is that they require the APAP students to set up all their own rotations (13 of them) for the third year and you do not have the ability to set up rotations at LECOM sites until March/April when everyone else has been placed already. So for someone like me looking to stay in the Erie/Pittsburgh area, I have to wait until March/April before LECOM will help me get a rotation site at a LECOM affiliated site. Thus, I have only a few rotations set up and don't know where I'll be in 3 months but the non-APAP medical students have known where they will be for the last few months already. And all this rotation setting up on my part is done while I'm supposed to be studying for boards...
  9. Current APAP second year here. Yep. Agree with this list. EM is a popular choice for the APAP students. It seems like most people go for EM since it's only three years for residency, pretty good pay, and relatively DO friendly. The next most common specialty for APAPers is anesthesiology for similar reasons (4 year residency though). Then it is usually a mix of radiology, surgery, orthopedics, internal medicine, and family medicine. One person tried matched cardiothoracic surgery but was unsuccessful with really high board scores(Gen surgery intern year now). Another tried matching interventional radiology (also high board scores and lots of interviews) and was unsuccessful and is now doing a traditional rotating intern year. I've had similar problems getting a list of what specialties APAPers have matched in over the last couple years so most of my info comes from talking to people in my class and those above me. There is only one person from APAP that I know of that matched dermatology and my understanding was that she had worked in dermatology for a while prior to medical school so likely had a huge advantage. The person who matched ortho this past year ended up at Millcreek Hospital which is LECOM's community hospital in Erie, PA. They have a strong preference for taking LECOM students to begin with. Six spots of the 12 APAP seats are reserved for primary care (Ob/gyn, FM, IM, and peds). However, there was a problem with people "accidentally" matching into specialties outside of primary care so they enacted basically a fine of one year of tuition (about $33k) for people who matched outside of a primary care specialty (so you keep your residency match, pay the fine, and start on schedule). But that wasn't enough of a deterrent so they just enacted a policy last year that basically pulls you from the match if you try to match outside of primary care and makes you complete a fourth year of medical school before entering the match again which I think is a much stronger deterrent. From my understanding, if you are pulled from the match that is a huge red flag for when you apply for residency the next go around. The reason they care so much about matching people into primary care is that the AOA approved the program based on the premise that it would increase primary care physicians so if no one is going into primary care, the APAP program could lose accreditation.
  10. LECOM is the only medical school I'm aware of that does a bridge program from PA to physician (DO not MD). I'm currently attending. It's about $35k per year for three years. Whether or not it's worth it depends on your unique situation and what specialty you would be interested in doing.
  11. Yep, 2020 is the first year for the combined match. And besides, family medicine and EM residencies are usually considered "DO friendly" unless you are looking at very specific prestigious residencies.
  12. I wouldn't trust that. I'm still taking both board exams. They AMA may say that but the individual residency programs may say, "We accept the COMLEX but will only consider candidates who also took the USMLE." I've seen several programs I was interested in say that.
  13. Originally, I wanted to go to medical school but my parents talked me out of it citing the rigors of training a physician and the length of training. Went to PA school because I thought it was the fast track to medicine and it does get you practicing medicine quicker but it comes at a cost. I also thought I could make a primary care physician's salary working in CT surgery in Pennsylvania (that didn't work out). After a few years, I decided it was too much of a cost considering my age and financial situation so I went back to medical school.
  14. I agree with all this. I feel loss of money for the school is big issue. A person in a 3 year med school program is taking the spot of someone who otherwise would take 4 years to go through medical school. So often, I am viewed as having a scholarship equivalent to 1 year of tuition. Thus, I am not eligible for any school sponsored scholarships.
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