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  1. Hey all, So the short of my story is that I completed two years of med school and then decided to withdraw. I just realized that I would rather be a PA for many different reasons and as I progressed through med school my feelings just became stronger that I had made a mistake. My grades in med school were decent and I passed every class. My my question is do any of you have former med students in your class? Does any one know of schools that are willing to consider former med students? Thanks
  2. Im trying to figure this one out, but its not just 2-3 years. If someone starts both med n pa at age 24. As a PA there done at age 26 and make ~100k w/ -100k in debt. As a doc they get to -250k debt by age 29 then make ~50k for 3 years. If the doc makes ~200k then by about age 40 they would equal the PA in salary. After age 40 obviously the doc gets farther and farther ahead.
  3. Emedpa, you work 150 hrs in em?? So you work 50 hrs of em a week?
  4. EMEDPA, I'm sure you know as well as I do that FM docs are making 150k starting. PAs in em, ortho, derm, etc. are able to make that within a couple of years. PAs have wayy less debt and make the same salary.
  5. Because you're done as a PA after 2.5 years. As an MD you need an additional year of clinical + residency.
  6. Lol, as someone that attended UIowa its not "first three mini-semesters". The Iowa program, like many of the best med schools in the country, uses a 1.5 year didactic setup. They do in 1.5 years what typically takes 2 full years. The PAs and MDs take the EXACT same classes for the entire didactic portion.
  7. UIowa is using the curriculum many schools use now - the 1.5 year didactic. The PAs are graded on the same scale, same exams, they are the EXACT same as the MDs for the didactic.
  8. Well like I said at UIowa there is NO difference between PAs and MDs for the didactic. Also at Des Moines University PAs and DOs take the SAME pharm class (which is one of the hardest classes in MS1/MS2). Also don't most PAs take gross anatomy, physiology, labs, path, H&P? The only class they don't take that you've listed is biostats, neuro, and histo? Seems to me that they'd be pretty similar in difficulty then? Especially cuz PAs tend to have mandatory attendance which eats up ~7 hours a day.
  9. From my understanding FM docs get ~45-50% of collections. So if PAs are getting 45% (only ~5% less than MDs) then why is it that we make 50% of FM salary?
  10. http://www.oregonrn.org/?page=670 So I know this is over a year old, but it doesn't make much sense to me. Are PAs/NPs in Oregon really getting reimbursed the same as FM docs? So if I go work FM in Oregon I should expect 180k-220k? I get that this applies more to NPs since they can practice independently. So those that live in Oregon, are our NP counterparts really getting paid ~200k for FM?
  11. Totes agree. I think Gordan PA-C, like a lot of PA's, feels disrespected which is why he's bashing their training. Obviously, med school is very hard, and a lot of PAs would struggle to even get in. Since you're now in med school, how would you compare the two? Is MS1 similar/same as 1st year PA school?
  12. Lol I can't detect sarcasm well on the internet, so I'll treat this as a serious reply. Obviously PA school is NOT "much more difficult than med school". I was never trying to say that PA school is harder. My point is, we always assume that med school is far harder than PA school. But looking at the schools I interviewed at in Iowa, the PA students took many of the same classes. They had the same exams, with the same professors, and used the same grading scale. We don't have to take Step 1, which does make things significantly easier. My point was that the assumption, that med school is ha
  13. Ya it covers less material but its also half as long. My point is that the speed at which we have to memorize lectures, daily, in PA school is the same as in med school. Med school is just longer so they end up covering more...But at some schools, like UIowa, there is obviously no difference between MD and PA.
  14. I know this question is going to be difficult to answer, but there are some on this forum that have done both med and PA. My question is, is med school really much more difficult than PA school? For most people the hardest part is the book learning/didactic material. It's just difficult to learn so much material in such a short amount of time. I interviewed at two schools in Iowa. One was the University of Iowa where the med students and PA students took the EXACT same classes, same exams, same professors, same grading scale for the didactic portion. The other school (Des Moines University) th
  15. So will your yearly salary be $122,880? ($64/hr*16shift/mo*10hr/shift*12months)
  16. Do you ever get bitter about the great # of med students, residents, etc. that we help train every year? I can't help but feel a bit discouraged to see them progress and go on to become our bosses (in some cases) while we continue with the same responsibilities? I'm still a student, but does this feeling go away after a few years as a practicing PA?
  17. Interesting that even with all your years of experience the highest you have seen is 80, while ERcat has new grad friends making 95 and 100/hr...do salaries really vary that widely?
  18. Very interesting to see that you've done both. Few questions: 1) So how does that 180-220 compare to what you typically saw as a PA? 2) That 330k is crazy, were there any "out there" opportunities like that as a PA? 3) How much do you think an FM doc working in a desirable location, like Chicago, would make? (assuming 40-50 hrs, no ER work, etc.)
  19. So I know as PAs we have to deal with a lot of stuff that docs don't have to deal with (disrespect, scut work, lack of public opinion, etc). But, would you guys say that, in many cases, we are better off than FM docs financially? I know FM docs have a much higher ceiling than PAs since they can be hospitalists, work ER, private practice etc. but generally most FM docs just do primary care in major metro areas. I'm not yet a PA, but it seems to me that PAs in EM, specialized surgery, and derm can command salaries that are within the range of an FM doc (~150k). What do you all think?
  20. Could you give us any info on how your contract would look for those 2 yrs? salary, retirements, pto, etc?
  21. Who do you consider to be your boss? Is it your SP, hospital administrator, or do you have multiple bosses? I like the idea of working for a private practice because then my only boss would be the physician running the place. It seems like I'd have to deal with less bureaucracy then for setting up vacations, getting new equipment, etc. For those that work in EM, do you consider the EM physicians you work with to be your bosses?
  22. I can give you a range of expected salary for a level I trauma but it won't make sense until you give us some specifics about your job. Geographical area? Hours? Call schedule? Responsibilities? Current salary?
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