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  1. Google. Or search the forum. Plenty of advice to be found.
  2. It's not bad honestly. I work heme/onc outpatient (not midwest) and my initial offer was around that. I did negotiate to a higher salary with a signing bonus but they weren't willing to budge all that much. Bennies are good. If they are willing to train and this is a field you want to be in, I'd take it. If you think you can appropriately negotiate without losing the offer, I'd say it's worth trying but with everything else being good I wouldn't push all that hard.
  3. Yes, honestly, depending on how those Ws affect you in the future. Say you end up wanting to apply to competitive residency programs. Is $3k worth the Ws that potentially destroy your GPA and chance for that? Is $3k that big of a difference in the long run? What will you do in that time instead? If you're going to do the rare thing of transferring after starting a different program it would seem to me that logic is out the window and things like spending money to save face are worth consideration.
  4. I think you should tell the program you want to enroll in. They may have issues with it or need to know about it. Be an adult about it, explain the situation. But I'd hate to enroll in the new program and for some reason they find out you almost completed a full semester elsewhere and have that be a problem for them - and find yourself in NO PA program. Also, depending on when the new program starts, I'd say consider finishing out the 4 weeks of the current program so that you actually have grades on a transcript.
  5. A year of lost income as a PA (i.e graduating a year later) is likely much higher than the cost of moving and living in a new state. FWIW. Also I'm of the camp that you miss out on a lot in on online program. PA education is about more than just learning the material.
  6. Alternatively, why does there need to be a progression? No one asks med students/doctors "So, what are you going to do next". If doctors can just be doctors, why can't we be PAs? I don't need to become a doctor, I certainly don't want to become an administrator, and I'm quite happy in the specialty I plan to stay in for the duration of my career. Why must I 'advance'? I have 2 masters degrees. I think that's quite enough, thank you. Given that you are a new poster with multiple fonts (i.e copy/pasting from somewhere) I'm going to maintain a high degree of suspicion of trolling. Someone admitted to a PA program should already have some insight into the questions you're asking.
  7. I think a key thing to remember here is that your NURSING degree would come from Hopkins. Not your NP cert. So sure, if you want to be an RN then maybe having the prestige of Hopkins on your resume is helpful (I have no idea, I'm not a nurse). Frankly after working with many nurses I think the stats you quote should be looked at with a lot of skepticism. I've worked in a lot of hospitals and have NEVER seen a matrix that rewarded an employee with a higher salary simply because of where their degree came from. Maybe Hopkins pays Hopkins educated nurses better than non-Hopkins educated nurses. You get 1100 clinical experience hours as a NURSE. The certificate programs you listed for the NP certificate only require 600 - which is SO much less than 2000+ a PA student completes (and are accepted with far more than 1100 patient care experience hours which is essentially what you are equating your nursing school hours would be). A masters degree in nursing is still an RN - not an NP who just needs a certificate. So as someone else already mentioned - comparing the Hopkins MSN program to the PA program is comparing apples and oranges. You can't compare the Hopkins MSN program to a full fledged NP program either - because it's comparing an RN degree to an NP degree. The bottom line is that if you go the MSN + NP route you will still have less clinical experience than a PA graduate - and you can potentially do it with NO real life nursing experience (and it will take you longer to complete!). If that's what you decide is best for you, that's fine. It exists and it's not our job to police NP education. Just make sure you look at the whole picture. As others have said, I think you are grossly overestimating the benefit of the Hopkins name, especially if your ultimate goal is to work at the APP level (not the nursing level). I'd rather have an NP who came from a no-name nursing school but has 10 years of nursing experience vs a nurse with no work experience who graduated from a big name school. Prestige doesn't compensate for experience.
  8. Folks, I never said OP did anything wrong. I just call it like I see it and waiting until after licensing to even start looking for jobs DOES delay your starting time to work....which means more time you aren't being a PA. The math doesn't lie. Plenty of experienced EMEd PAs on this site would suggest a residency to ANYONE looking to get into an ED. It's not a bad suggestion. It's simply another option and one that may be more attainable to someone with no PA experience looking to get into a pretty competitive field.
  9. Until A: you have a waiting room full of patients not being seen and/or B: your employer says you're not meeting contract goals and then you have no job. I see that you are pre-PA. I hope you'll revisit this and laugh if/when you become a practicing PA and realize that medicine is a business and unfortunately we are employees with very little control over what our employers demand/expect.
  10. It's not impossible but it is more difficult than doing PA school without a dog. I'm the opposite of the above poster...financially my dog was not a burden...but time wise felt like I couldn't juggle school and enough quality dog time. Honestly they both suffered a little....dog wasn't getting my full attention and neither was school. Ultimately I decided it was best for both of us if my (willing) parents kept her while I was in school. My dog lived the LIFE for those years and she's no worse off for it. Myself and a few of my classmates started with our dogs and at some point had our families take care of them - for the benefit of the dog and us as students. I also had some classmates keep theirs the whole time - however they had multiple roommates who helped out or parents who paid for daily doggie day care. For me the issue was that I didn't feel it was fair to the dog. Gone all day for class. Need to come home and study. Didn't feel like I could stay after class on campus to study with groups because I needed to get home to let her out. Sometimes would have to make a trip home just to let her out if we had late labs otherwise she would be home alone for 12+ hrs (or you could get a dog walker but...$$$) - which meant instead of studying with classmates or socializing, I was making the 40+min round trip rushed to take care of the pup. Sure we had time for walks but overall not as much attention as she was getting when I was just working and could hang out with her more. I also had NO intention of trying to keep her with me during clinical rotations - schedule changes every six week, working off shifts, being gone 16 hr days on surgery rotation and coming home ready to crash....no way was I going to be able to add a few extra miles to each end of my day for walks. Not to even mention away rotations where you have to find temporary housing that likely isn't dog friendly (or you will be paying a lot more to FIND dog friendly housing). Basically if you're going to do it, make sure you have a backup plan and think through things like clinical year and travel and what will happen if half way through school you need significant help (either financially or time wise).
  11. Look. It's a LOT of debt. A lot. With huge repayments. $200k for program A and $87k (I assume tuition only?) with added living expenses for program B. So approx 100k less for program B. (and I suspect even less of a difference) What kind of job do you have now? I assume not something making 100k (85 is a lower estimate for PA). Maybe you're a CNA or EMT or something else...let's be generous and say making 50k. If you delay starting a year (or more!) you have 50k+ in lost potential income. If you add that hypothetical 50k to the cost of program B, things start to even out if you're just considering numbers. Remember there is never guarantee of an acceptance in the future. And not a guarantee of getting into a cheaper (or the cheapest) program.
  12. "I appreciate the offer you have extended. I know that I will be a great fit for your company (for XYZ reasons) and look forward to starting my career as a PA with you. I've done some further research on the average salary for this specialty and this area and, while also considering the benefits package, hope that we can come to a mutually agreeable salary that is reflective of the value I will contribute". (Obviously don't do this until an offer has been extended. Don't broach this topic unless that happens) Yada, yada, yada. You get the point. You haven't closed the door but you have made your job a little harder. Get ahold of the AAPA salary report (because it's robust and the best we've got for now). Check other job listings in the same area and see if they list salary ranges. Or better yet, get another offer and play them off (or as above, bluff!). Going forward if you have interviews at other places, try and have this researched a little in case you get caught in the same position.
  13. Didn't your program go over this? There are plenty of staffing agencies, you can apply directly to hospitals, use job search engines....literally anything. Search, apply, wait. Most students apply long before graduation so you're kind of behind in the search. By waiting to apply you are extending your period of unemployment (and thus not using/cementing your skills) which frankly may make it even harder to get into EMED at this point. Perhaps you should consider a residency.
  14. Just a hunch but I don't think most programs would be excited about having a syllabus shared publicly.
  15. This is about billing, plain and simple. A lot of high volume EDs will have the physician 'see' every patient with the PA/NP because then they can bill for the time. I personally went to the ED, the PA managed all aspects of my care, and the physician came in to shake my hand and say 'PA so and so seems to have it under control, anything I can do for you?'. I got a bill for both of their time and the ED was able to bill at a full 100% level to my insurance because I was seen by a physician. Note: I realize this doesn't occur everywhere and in some situations may be due to a distrust of APP skills vs billing but....follow the money
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