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    Pay Disparity

    I find that hard to believe that a new grad RN is making ~100K in NYC (that is highly saturated btw). If this were California, I'd believe it, but not for NYC. Per glassdoor, the average starting salary for new grad BSN RNs in NYC is 77K which is already 18% above the national average. Unfortunately, it is common for new grad BSN RNs to make slightly less or about the same as new grad PAs (FOR THE PAs WHO DO NOT NEGOTIATE). I'm a new grad RN and I'm approximately at 75K/year. Now compare this to the # of new grad PAs on this very same forum who sadly entertain 75K-80K starting salaries.
  2. Hi HLL2017, Sorry to hear about the dismissal from your PA program. Well, I only gave PA school application cycle one shot and called it quits when I had no luck in getting in. So kudos to you to making it that far. As for direct entry MSN...be very careful of which one you do attend. Make sure this type of program awards a BSN and MSN upon successful completion. The politics in nursing is confusing and there are a ton of way one can become a RN...even FNP. Some direct entry MSN programs make you a Masters Prepared RN and not an FNP, whereas, some allows you to practice as a MSN prepared FNP. PA and NP training are vastly different. PA school is rigorous regarding medical knowledge and disease pathophysiology and pharmacology. NP school is strenuous regarding disease prevention and behavioral/lifestyle wellness. Two different forms of training...HOWEVER, once in practice, the NP's mindset completely changes which mimics that of PAs which resembles that of physicians. Pathophysiology + Meds = temporary fix. Nursing programs may not even care that you got dismissed from PA school. If you meet the requirements and are able to afford the program...you're pretty much good to go. I went into my nursing school interview knowing that they knew about me being rejected from their PA program...and here I am, 9 months in as a nurse. You might want to research BSN vs MSN...RN vs NP...because I noticed you're comparing MSN to PA...where in reality you can be a MSN RN but not a MSN FNP upon completion of said MSN program.
  3. From my understanding, Hahnemann's PA program converted into Drexel's PA program years ago. So this doesn't affect them unless they were doing clinicals at Hahnemann. A lot of said students, workers, and affiliates are transferring to Einstein, Jefferson, Drexel, etc.
  4. Most of these positions are found in Urgent Care Centers. I did it for 3 years for PA school PCE experience...life happened and I pursued a different opportunity. Submit your applications and during the interview, state you're a fast learner who is willing to put in the work to excel in this new position. Good luck!
  5. Thanks for the welcome!  My name is Kristie and my question was about starting PA school at age 45 but I got replies of others who did and I feel much more confident. Secondly, is a MMsc degree, truly looked upon the same as PA-C? I had not heard the term except recently when I was researching Yale's online PA program. Any input appreciated! Thanks

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      An MMSc is the degree awarded by the University and the PA program. PA-C is not a degree but a credential obtained through a university that either grants an MMSc, MSc, MPAS, MPA, etc.

  6. Thank you for the heads up. That's a bit disappointing in one aspect, but great in the other.
  7. Both the only of its kind.
  8. I definitely want the training to be a safe Emergency Advanced Practice Provider whether PA or NP school is going to provide it. Then I'll either do Emergency Medicine or Urgent Care. Yes there are Residency Programs for both PAs and NPs. The dual program I am referring to is UC Davis dual PA/NP program. It's for current RNs who get accepted into their FNP program. Once in the FNP Program there's the option to enroll into the PA program simultaneously if there is a PA-S seat available. There are no guarantees.
  9. Same boat here...I'm really not looking forward to NP school unless I find a brick-and-mortar Program...not a fan of online learning. But if I give up on that dream, a hybrid online in-person EM NP program like Rutgers' will suffice. Honestly, I struggle with this every so often because I do see myself furthering my education but choosing a path is even more difficult since both PA and NP is available to me. That said, I'm leaning more towards NP (UC Davis' dual PA/NP and Rutgers' EM-FNP). Reason is, I enjoy instant gratification and don't like to play the waiting game or what-ifs (ie: OTP). I like to move around so obtaining a compact license as a RN/APRN can make such moves a lot more easier among other things. It sounds like you're leaning towards PA and that is okay. The medical model and PA school curriculum is definitely superior to majority of NP schools and that is a fact. But if you're willing to do the extra work as a NP-S; full-time clinical year, suture workshops, I&D workshops, U/S workshops, imaging workshops, etc, then you'll be more than prepared to enter the workforce. Better yet, a residency program. Either choice will provide a great work-life balance and income. PS: Each and every one of the PAs I work with in the ER are well-respected and function autonomously.
  10. Don't go to nursing school and pay 80K. That's not worth it. There are plenty ABSN programs for less than 40K in tuition. I'd gladly pay 80K for a Masters PA program... But not for a 2nd Bachelors.
  11. Seriously? Jesus I can't win. I JUST stated that Jefferson D N P is 4 years BSN TO DNP fulltime and 6 years partime...never said it was difficult and definitely said I'm not a fan of the curriculum. Or we also going to ignore my little comment about "there are a wide array of options and paths for an RNs to become an NP and listing all those options is exhausting?"...ASN TO MSN/DNP, ASN TO BSN, ASN TO BSN TO BSN-DNP, BSN TO DNP, ABSN TO MSN TO DNP, ABSN TO DNP....direct entry MSN, direct entry MSN TO DNP, direct entry DNP....all those count up in years to go from RN TO NP...so ONCE again, no I'm not trying to make DNP OR MSN look more stringent. I'm done with this conversation because you're both tiring... I guess we're just selectively choosing what to read these days.
  12. Nope, not trying to elevate DNP at all. I actually forgot those things actually exist. When I was looking for schools to apply to I only ran into BSN TO MSN and BSN to DNP... And direct entry MSN. Trust me, I am not a fan of the whole DNP thing...not even a fan of majority of the MSN programs. still yet to find a brick and mortar MSN FNP program because I'm not a fan of online courses. Ie: Jefferson University has a BSN to DNP-FNP which is 1 year ABSN + 4 years full time or 6 years partime DNP mostly online. Aka 5-7years. So no, not elevating this. So for me...if I did do Jefferson program, I would've completed 5 years of undergrad, 1 year ABSN, and 4 years FULLTIME DNP which IS 10 years of study to become FNP with a DNP...nontraditional route. There are so many ways to become a RN and eventually a NP that it is exhausting and even prostpectives are confused of which route to take. The list is just goes on and on and on. I wish I had done that 3 year DNP... But never ran across it.
  13. Hello! I just replied to your other post so feel free to go back and see the price:time comparison for both. First off, congrats on both graduating and also being accepted into RN school. Two feats to be proud of. As far as your PA application, to be honest, your profile is not competitive (avg isn't a good position to be in). A competitive application has a 3.5+ GPA (that number has been increasing year after year), 2000+ hours of high quality PCE (combat medic, paramedic, respiratory therapy, registered nurse, LPN, radiation tech, etc), volunteering/community service hours, 100+ shadowing hours, and 300+ on the GRE. I'm not trying to discourage you but getting into PA school requires a lot and mental stamina. NP school isn't as competitive and most FNP programs do not require any time as a RN because they have direct entry BSN RN to MSN FNP tracks. Then there are competitive FNP programs at the top universities like Duke, Columbia, Vanderbilt, etc that might need a year of RN experience. I've gone through this path and I ended up in an ABSN program after I was rejected from 9 PA programs. Panicked and submitted to an ABSN program in December and got accepted in February....talk about a fast turn around. So far, I do not have any regrets. Can't complain and have no regrets because I'm making 75K as a brand new RN (less than a year of experience) and I only sacrificed 1 year of my life. I'm in Pennsylvania.
  14. If you want to a NP then do that, given that you already have an accepted seat to RN school. If you want to be a PA and you definitely have a competitive application/stats then skip the ABSN and apply to PA school. There's no such thing as a standard PA school. BSN programs are no way close to as competitive as PA programs. From my calculation so far based on state schools (avg 30K for undergrad) PA is 4-5 years undergrad + 2-3 years MS-PA = 6-8 years + 80-130K in student loans. NP 4 years BSN + 2 years MSN = 6 years + 40-80K in student loans NP 4 year BS/BA + 1-2 years ABSN + 2 years MSN = 7-8 years + 140K+ in loans* DNP 4 year BSN + 4-6 years BSN to DNP = 8-10 years + LOL in student loans* DNP 4 year BS/BA + 1-2 years ABSN + 4-6 years BSN to DNP = 9-12 years + LOOL in student loans* * these programs are not worth it unless the school award scholarships based on academic merit or other qualifications that practically pay for 70% of the education*
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