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  1. Hello! I just replied to your other post so feel free to go back and see the price:time comparison for both. First off, congrats on both graduating and also being accepted into RN school. Two feats to be proud of. As far as your PA application, to be honest, your profile is not competitive (avg isn't a good position to be in). A competitive application has a 3.5+ GPA (that number has been increasing year after year), 2000+ hours of high quality PCE (combat medic, paramedic, respiratory therapy, registered nurse, LPN, radiation tech, etc), volunteering/community service hours, 100+ shadowing hours, and 300+ on the GRE. I'm not trying to discourage you but getting into PA school requires a lot and mental stamina. NP school isn't as competitive and most FNP programs do not require any time as a RN because they have direct entry BSN RN to MSN FNP tracks. Then there are competitive FNP programs at the top universities like Duke, Columbia, Vanderbilt, etc that might need a year of RN experience. I've gone through this path and I ended up in an ABSN program after I was rejected from 9 PA programs. Panicked and submitted to an ABSN program in December and got accepted in February....talk about a fast turn around. So far, I do not have any regrets. Can't complain and have no regrets because I'm making 75K as a brand new RN (less than a year of experience) and I only sacrificed 1 year of my life. I'm in Pennsylvania.
  2. If you want to a NP then do that, given that you already have an accepted seat to RN school. If you want to be a PA and you definitely have a competitive application/stats then skip the ABSN and apply to PA school. There's no such thing as a standard PA school. BSN programs are no way close to as competitive as PA programs. From my calculation so far based on state schools (avg 30K for undergrad) PA is 4-5 years undergrad + 2-3 years MS-PA = 6-8 years + 80-130K in student loans. NP 4 years BSN + 2 years MSN = 6 years + 40-80K in student loans NP 4 year BS/BA + 1-2 years ABSN + 2 years MSN = 7-8 years + 140K+ in loans* DNP 4 year BSN + 4-6 years BSN to DNP = 8-10 years + LOL in student loans* DNP 4 year BS/BA + 1-2 years ABSN + 4-6 years BSN to DNP = 9-12 years + LOOL in student loans* * these programs are not worth it unless the school award scholarships based on academic merit or other qualifications that practically pay for 70% of the education*
  3. Before this thread derails from the whole point of the original question to yet another PAs vs NPs thread like every other slightly related thread, let me clarify two points here. 1: In corporate medicine, surgeons do not hire anyone, they are an employee (and employee #) like any other clinician; MD/DO, PA, NP, RN, RT, and other ancillary staff. They have ZERO say in who gets hired and fired. That's the MBAs and HR's job. 2: Let's not intermingle facts with anecdotes and personal experiences. If we are, yes, I have been in ERs where NPs are hired. You cannot go from "have you been to an ER that hires only PAs" to..."it's mostly PAs and not NPs." That's contradicting. Don't forget that RNFAs who become NPs also end up in surgery (IN CORPORATE MEDICINE) Also, surgery and ER are two of the 100+ specialties and subspecialties so...moot point. My hospital doesn't hire NPs in the ER but guess what, only NPs are hired in the ER as hospitalists that handle admitted patients. Both NPs and PAs are required to be cosigned at my hospital, so again, you're ignoring my original point that NPs are sought out because they are a type of advanced practice clinicians regardless of cosigning requirement. Question for you though regarding: "The places where I see NPs sought out above ERs is do to cosigning." For hospitals that require co-signatures for both types of advanced practice providers (PAs and NPs), why is that there are more NPs in ICU/NICU/Anesthesia/Flight Medicine settings than there are PAs? PS: I am very neutral when it comes to PAs and NPs in the clinical settings - because I have worked with both as a medical assistant and also as an emergency nurse. I am not biased for or against either because this is not my life...this is a means-to-an-end. IDC for title, I only care that my direct deposits clear at 0800 biweekly. If you also read my posts carefully, you'll also notice that I stick to facts and not anecdotes.
  4. So, in corporate medicine where both PAs and NPs are required to be cosigned, NPs aren't sought out because they are a type of advanced practice clinicians? But are sought out because they're some random title with less restricted practice abilities? Got it.
  5. I have the stats (3.5 previous BS plus 3000+ PCE among other things) to get into PA school. If I had broadened where I applied to and didn't mind attempting a second time, I am positive I would've gotten in somewhere. Especially now that I have a 3.7 BSN and over 5000 combined experience as a former urgent care MA and current ER nurse. I wasn't some wishy-washy PA wannabe with a 2.5 GPA and mediocre experience hoping for a miracle. I dedicated my resume to become a PA but we all know how 2000 applications for 30 seats is never a promising gamble. Just don't care to spend thousands more on another application cycle and play the numbers game. Never cared to be an MD/DO so never attempted to, so your point is null. Also, nowhere in my comment have I ever stated NPs are better than physicians because clearly, they are NOT - so I'm not entirely sure why you're sorry for that comment. FYI, NPs are as good as any other provider or they wouldn't be highly sought out by employers. My mind will not change unless you provide me some peer-reviewed articles that say patients are in terrible hands if their PCP/provider is an NP. If you're a PA prospect, don't get caught up in this pissing contest. NPs are here to stay, and yes (the younger generation NPs) are taking the easy legislative route because somewhere along the road, our governing bodies grew balls.
  6. The only way it would be offered both ways is if the PA student is a licensed RN. I'm pretty sure they thought about this but they probably don't get enough RNs that apply to their PA program lol. Mostly RN--->NP.
  7. It would be nice if there were more dual PA/NP programs like UC Davis'. Outside of that, based on how some nurses (both RNs and APRNs) perceive PAs (what I've witnessed in nursing school), NPs would never allow PAs to sit and take either respective NP boards *there are two of them* without first going through nursing school plus NP school. I wanted to be a PA so bad a few years ago before nursing school but didn't make the cut and I am happy I got turned down *today*. It seems NPs have less political battles to fight, but this is one future NP that will always be a PA ally. You guys are so talented and smart.
  8. If you're mainly doing patient transport and housekeeping then it is considered HCE.
  9. No, you cannot double dip. That's like saying I worked 2K hrs as an RN and then also counting those 2K as shadowing experience for a total of 4K...when, in reality, I was only physically present for 2K. If you volunteered as a medical translator then technically you can count that as HCE because it is in a health care capacity. It is not shadowing because you're not just following the provider...You're assisting the provider and playing an active role. Shadowing is primarily following the provider (passive role). Its entirely up to you how you want to allocate your hours. If it were me, I would put all 300 hours as HCE.
  10. Yikes...I make that much w/ zero OT as a new RN o_O with <6 mos. experience. Offers like this makes me question if I want to attempt PA school or...
  11. If there are no written statement that you were dismissed from the program, PA programs won't be able to tell the difference between "was unable to move on to senior year OR the choice to change majors." People change majors all the time lol. Now if they ask, one should not lie about what happened.
  12. ^^^^ tho, you'll also be going up against a lot of well-qualified candidates with 0 to minimal academic blemishes. That said, nursing school can be easier to get into.
  13. I get that, but one should not be compensated less because of a training period. I do not generate revenue, as nurses do not get reimbursed by insurance companies for procedures...yet I am fully compensated during orientation. Your services get reimbursed so no you should not accept $20 during your training period unless it's an accredited residency program or one of those coveted specialties (ie Dermatology/Plastics). I wish you all the best and hope you continue the job search and land a job that will pay you respectfully.
  14. Do nursing so you can kill two birds with one stone. I wish I had done this. Contrary to popular belief, you don't have to go to NP school with a BSN, you can go to PA school. That's like saying if you have a BS in Public Health, why not do MS in Public Health? As a new grad RN, I'm bringing in 73.5K working 37 hrs/week. You'll be able to pay off your school loans within a year before racking up more debt for PA school. Compare that with a useless BS degree (Health Science, Bio, Exercise Physiology, etc). You'll gain some great experience and be compensated well for it.
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