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  1. I agree as well, NP school is notorious for forcing their students to find their own preceptors. This is why I refuse to apply to any of the programs that do this. Floor nursing is rough, I couldn't do it. It sounds like you want to function at the highest level of your credentials and floor nursing ain't it. That's why I love the ER and will never leave unless it's to be an urgent care nurse. As for wanting to move on, that's okay, but keep in mind that being a RN and a NP are two different things. NP is more similar to PA than it is to their predecessor, RN. You might not like RN but you might like NP. But from your post it seems you rather be a PA and that's also okay. Research different PA programs and see how many PCE you have acquired from being a RN since that's considered high quality experience. Good luck!
  2. Yikes...where to begin lmao. It sounds like you have a major chip on your shoulder. First off, welcome to the PA FORUM where everything is PRO-PA....as it should be haha. You cannot start off saying you cannot compare the two professions and then under the same breath minimize the work PAs do across the US on a daily basis in comparison to PTs. PAs receive a generalist training but you can find a PA in every specialty and sub-specialty...From Family medicine to hematology/oncology (sounds like an in-depth specialty if you ask me). Hence when they re-certify they have to read a generalist book to relearn general medicine. Same thing goes for Ortho Physicians to cardiologists, or are you also denying their expertise? It is also false to claim PTs have the same scope of practice as PAs. PAs write orders for the PTs to follow...without a referral from a PA, NP, MD/DO...PTs have no reason to evaluate a patient unless said patient miraculously wanders in said PT's office. Also, referring patients to appropriate ancillary services is SAFE practice. Every single clinician I know does it. FYI DPT is NOT a specialty in medicine....DPT is a clinician who focuses on movement and rehabilitation which IS a specialty in medicine. Just like how Physician/PA isn't a specialty...but a licensed clinician in a specific specialty; PM&R. Yeah PTs might be their own boss but what does that have to do with patient care? PAs call the shots in my ER for the patients they care for. The physicians have their own patients to worry about so I am convinced you are misinformed about the PA profession. Regarding the ranking...are you saying DPTs are more qualified to care for patients than MS trained PTs? Because you're sadly mistaken if you think yes and a sell out to your own kind. Also, according to Forbes top 10 jobs for 2018...PAs were # 3 while PTs didn't make the cut. I saw a tax return from a Pediatric Trauma PA in NYC who made 142K in 1 year....pretty sure FM physicians make 150-200K/year....so that is pretty comparable. So yes, PAs can make OT if they choose. Their schedule isn't limited because they are a PA. PTs have their place...no one is denying that. Again, welcome to the PA FORUM.
  3. Quick question, how much $$$ did you spend to become a nurse? No matter what path you choose, you're not going to be fully prepared to assume the provider role, and your preceptor isn't going to expect you to hit the ground running. You have to put in the work. Either training will allow you to be a "safe" novice provider, although the training PAs receive exceeds NP training based on curriculum and hours of clinical experience. But one cannot bank on that. You have to be willing to put in the extra hours to learn the job (and be aware of knowing that you don't know everything early on in your career). Nursing (BSN) school taught me how to be safe...and not an irresponsible practitioner. It was my time in the ER that taught me how to function as a nurse. How to communicate with providers, how to safely carryout my nursing duties, and how to critically think. That said, I work with some tremendous PAs, and I also work with some excellent NPs. Choose a path that fits YOUR needs and not what some online forum say. You're the one footing the bill and time required to successfully pass your boards. It also sounds like you're just barely off orientation and already thinking about jumping ship. Are you at the bedside?
  4. Overall GPA is on the lower end, but your pre-req GPA provided somewhat of a buffer. What's your science GPA? PCE/HCE is way below average and will definitely work against you based on how competitive PA programs are. How many hours have you completed as a CNA over those 2 years? Being a CNA and seeing how RNs work is way different than the scope of a NP. So you're comparing apples to oranges. Based on what you're providing at this moment of time (and not saying impossible) but your chances are slim to zilch.
  5. Diggy

    Pay Disparity

    I find that hard to believe that a new grad RN is making ~100K in NYC (that is highly saturated btw). If this were California, I'd believe it, but not for NYC. Per glassdoor, the average starting salary for new grad BSN RNs in NYC is 77K which is already 18% above the national average. Unfortunately, it is common for new grad BSN RNs to make slightly less or about the same as new grad PAs (FOR THE PAs WHO DO NOT NEGOTIATE). I'm a new grad RN and I'm approximately at 75K/year. Now compare this to the # of new grad PAs on this very same forum who sadly entertain 75K-80K starting salaries.
  6. Hi HLL2017, Sorry to hear about the dismissal from your PA program. Well, I only gave PA school application cycle one shot and called it quits when I had no luck in getting in. So kudos to you to making it that far. As for direct entry MSN...be very careful of which one you do attend. Make sure this type of program awards a BSN and MSN upon successful completion. The politics in nursing is confusing and there are a ton of way one can become a RN...even FNP. Some direct entry MSN programs make you a Masters Prepared RN and not an FNP, whereas, some allows you to practice as a MSN prepared FNP. PA and NP training are vastly different. PA school is rigorous regarding medical knowledge and disease pathophysiology and pharmacology. NP school is strenuous regarding disease prevention and behavioral/lifestyle wellness. Two different forms of training...HOWEVER, once in practice, the NP's mindset completely changes which mimics that of PAs which resembles that of physicians. Pathophysiology + Meds = temporary fix. Nursing programs may not even care that you got dismissed from PA school. If you meet the requirements and are able to afford the program...you're pretty much good to go. I went into my nursing school interview knowing that they knew about me being rejected from their PA program...and here I am, 9 months in as a nurse. You might want to research BSN vs MSN...RN vs NP...because I noticed you're comparing MSN to PA...where in reality you can be a MSN RN but not a MSN FNP upon completion of said MSN program.
  7. From my understanding, Hahnemann's PA program converted into Drexel's PA program years ago. So this doesn't affect them unless they were doing clinicals at Hahnemann. A lot of said students, workers, and affiliates are transferring to Einstein, Jefferson, Drexel, etc.
  8. Most of these positions are found in Urgent Care Centers. I did it for 3 years for PA school PCE experience...life happened and I pursued a different opportunity. Submit your applications and during the interview, state you're a fast learner who is willing to put in the work to excel in this new position. Good luck!
  9. Thanks for the welcome!  My name is Kristie and my question was about starting PA school at age 45 but I got replies of others who did and I feel much more confident. Secondly, is a MMsc degree, truly looked upon the same as PA-C? I had not heard the term except recently when I was researching Yale's online PA program. Any input appreciated! Thanks

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      Diggy

      An MMSc is the degree awarded by the University and the PA program. PA-C is not a degree but a credential obtained through a university that either grants an MMSc, MSc, MPAS, MPA, etc.

  10. Thank you for the heads up. That's a bit disappointing in one aspect, but great in the other.
  11. Both the only of its kind.
  12. I definitely want the training to be a safe Emergency Advanced Practice Provider whether PA or NP school is going to provide it. Then I'll either do Emergency Medicine or Urgent Care. Yes there are Residency Programs for both PAs and NPs. The dual program I am referring to is UC Davis dual PA/NP program. It's for current RNs who get accepted into their FNP program. Once in the FNP Program there's the option to enroll into the PA program simultaneously if there is a PA-S seat available. There are no guarantees.
  13. Same boat here...I'm really not looking forward to NP school unless I find a brick-and-mortar Program...not a fan of online learning. But if I give up on that dream, a hybrid online in-person EM NP program like Rutgers' will suffice. Honestly, I struggle with this every so often because I do see myself furthering my education but choosing a path is even more difficult since both PA and NP is available to me. That said, I'm leaning more towards NP (UC Davis' dual PA/NP and Rutgers' EM-FNP). Reason is, I enjoy instant gratification and don't like to play the waiting game or what-ifs (ie: OTP). I like to move around so obtaining a compact license as a RN/APRN can make such moves a lot more easier among other things. It sounds like you're leaning towards PA and that is okay. The medical model and PA school curriculum is definitely superior to majority of NP schools and that is a fact. But if you're willing to do the extra work as a NP-S; full-time clinical year, suture workshops, I&D workshops, U/S workshops, imaging workshops, etc, then you'll be more than prepared to enter the workforce. Better yet, a residency program. Either choice will provide a great work-life balance and income. PS: Each and every one of the PAs I work with in the ER are well-respected and function autonomously.
  14. Don't go to nursing school and pay 80K. That's not worth it. There are plenty ABSN programs for less than 40K in tuition. I'd gladly pay 80K for a Masters PA program... But not for a 2nd Bachelors.
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