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  1. ARGH!!! Mine was submitted on the 17th of July. Guess I should email them next week. :(
  2. Hmm, so has anyone else gotten an invite yet? Seems strange only 1 person on here has gotten an invite.
  3. Has anyone heard anything from this campus? What's going on with it? Why have they not sent out any invites?
  4. Read the note: Note: 2010-2011 CASPA Matriculant Average Health Care Experience (self-reported). Health care experience hours include patient contact experience, other work experience, other health care experience, community service, health care shadowing, and research. Previously, health care experience hours included direct patient care, community service, health-related experience, and observation/ shadowing. The change in the classification of health care experience hours was the likely cause of the jump in total hours in 2010-2011. in 2010 and 2011 they changed their reporting standards and styles. The "experience" takes into account many other things other than direct patient care experience. Even so, look at 2010 and 1991. In 2010 the hours are 1/2 of the total. Look at your chart. The trend has been decreasing since the 90's, and drastically I might add. @tao, you implied and stated how in such a black and white way, the ARC has such oversight and control over programs that assessing someone's physical skills is not needed because the schools have such over sight. Well, in keeping with your black and white theme, if there is such oversight and control, then why does there need to be any certification exams at all? Why does anyone need to take even the CBT section of the exam? You've had so many tests on psych, ob, anatomy, etc. Why is it a false dichotomy to use your argument against testing to say why test for this other item (cognitive skills)? Heck you have 2 degrees at this point, you surely must know what you need to know.
  5. Let's start here. http://www.paeaonline.org/index.php?ht=a/GetDocumentAction/i/61849 "The typical entering student was described as a white/non-Hispanic female over 27 years of age, with a grade point average of 3.30 and 48 months of health care experience prior to admission." 48 months of experience on average. That is about 8000 hours on a 40 hr/wk schedule. Compare that to this : http://www.paeaonline.org/index.php?ht=a/GetDocumentAction/i/149930 Where the average HCE has now diminished to around 3300 hours. Or nearly 1/3. And that's in the last 20 years. This seems to contradict your statement that experience standards have not changed much. Another anecdotal verification would be the entering age being lower. You made the statement that the certification exam would not make you a better clinician, which implies that this exam is somehow there to "teach" you something. I was simply stating that the exam is just to establish a standard. Maybe it isn't about just generating money. Maybe it's also about establishing a baseline competency for the graduates (since the amount of experience they have is tremendously lower than in the past) @taotaox1: How else would you interpret the phrases of "we already have to take these type of tests in school". If you've been tested on it once, at school, why not do it for certification? Money? Please, the worst I've heard on this board is 2k. spend 2k to make 90k? Compare that to EMT's, their CBT and practicals are around 500 and on average around here they might make 20k. Want cost/benefit/value analysis? Ok, how about this? 2% of one years' salary to get certified. That's peanuts. But that's just 1 year. That one test is good for 10 years. So in essence you are spending 2k to be able to earn 900k (we'll keep the pay at 90k/yr, without any pay increases). So now let's see, 0.2% of salary to be certified? How is that not cost efficient or valuable? And your point about it being a part of school and it's regulations etc. If there is such oversight on the programs then why is there a certification exam in the first place? Whether it's the CBT or hands on. By your argument, everyone that passes school should be automatically granted certification because the ARC has such oversight. If there was such great oversight and "fixing problems before they develop" then why is there not a 100% initial pass rate on the PANCE? Your argument is fundamentally flawed. This is not a personal attack, but an attempt to show the flaws in your logic and thinking based on these statements.
  6. I find that hard to believe seeing as the profession started with corpsmen and such that were getting out of the service (4 or more years of service) and giving them a chance to continue their career, so you are looking at 8k hours vs current 250 hrs. I think the advocacy for longer programs and residencies etc is due to the lack of experience coming out of school. How would the NCCPA benefit financially from you having to do residency? They wouldn't. The testing is not to make a better clinician. The testing is to ensure a baseline standard for those finishing school. Just like NREMT has practical stations. How many times have you backboarded a patient in EMT or paramedic school? How many times were you checked off on it in school and ride alongs? But yet you still have to do it for the NREMT. I am shocked that people are so scared of having to show competency.
  7. HAHA!! bring it junior. I love a challenge. I am not god and no where did I say I was god, you're Napoleon complex sure got kicked into high gear there tho. Hit a nerve? :) Hmm, maybe you see the validity of that argument and are afraid to admit it. What's there to worry about about taking a test to certify a basic level of competency?
  8. I voted yes and I'm not even in school yet. I'm not afraid to take an exam to verify and show my basic level of competency.
  9. #1, 1000 patients and you are competent? Was that in each specialty or overall? Overall? So 1000 patients in 8 (?) rotations? So let's be even, 1000/8=125. So after 125 patient encounters you are a master at that specialty? Seriously? You haven't even touched the surface of the procedures you can do. I've been an EMT/medic and flight medic since 1996 (medic since 1999) for a number of years during my career, I averaged 20 calls in a 24 hr shift. I practically doubled that magical 125 number in one month. But in my nearly 15 years, even on the helicopter, I have done exactly 1 trach, I've seen, I'm guessing in the 10's of thousands of patients, and have done just 1 trach. So this whole 1000 patients thing, meaningless. In my experience as an FTO and teaching EMT's and medics, 125 patients is barely enough to get you comfortable in your own skin let alone proficient. #2, your exams you've been passing during your clinical year are just school exams. Schools are free to test however they desire. Some test better than others. Some curve different than others etc. That's why there is a certification exam. I'm sure you took more exams during the didactic year than clinical. By your argument, you shouldn't even have to take the PANCE. See the flaw in that argument? #3 You can't test a persons ability to interact and interview a patient on a computer. You can't use a computer to test how to best get information out of a difficult patient. You can't use a computer to test compassion when telling family a loved one is dead. You can't use a computer to test how to calm and handle a psych patient. With so many schools getting away from the intent of the profession, I think it is VERY IMPORTANT to the health of this profession to make sure the kids that are being whipped out of these schools can do what they are supposed to be able to do. What is the #1 thing a PA does? talk to patients, interact with patients (whichever way you want to say it). You think with your 125 OB patient encounters you are proficient and comfortable asking a woman what her G,P,A, and why any A's? I will place money on having a new grad PA that has say 250hrs of HCE prior to school and one with say 5000 hrs, doing the same tasks and I guarantee the patient's encounter will be a lot smoother with the seasoned person. Oh, and @primadonna, Testing isn't designed to teach you anything, it's designed to assess your abilities. Will it make you a better MD? No, not supposed to. Will it ensure a certain level of competency? That's what it is supposed to do.
  10. Has anyone heard anything about scheduling other interviews? Like september or october?
  11. 31? If I was 31, or even 35, I would consider myself young enough to go to med school. You obviously had a passion of med school and not PA as you were in med school. Go back and finish what you started. This isn't the easy way out. This isn't the next best thing. This is a professional model that requires a person to understand the role it was intended to be. This isn't for med school dropouts. So go back and finish what you started.
  12. The PA program won't care where you did your post bacc at. You can do it where you did your undergrad. Wherever you can get in essentially. And they all have different requirements. I believe I've seen kids around here that had sub 3 GPA's and get into poss bacc programs before going to PA school. I would suggest doing some research on the programs you were most interested in and seeing what they require, then go and find a post bacc program where you did your undergrad at and knock it out of the water.
  13. If nothing else, it can be a career too. After 15 years as a medic, I can say it's put food on my table and a roof over my head for a long time now. lol
  14. If you already have a BS, why can't you apply to a post bacc program now?
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