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  1. 10 points
    Hey all, I'm coming back to this, probably a little too much time has passed. I promise I wasn't wasting my time! I am finally an alumni of MBKU and just took my PANCE this morning. But to all those who have anxiety about it or are still waiting to hear: the key is patience. Being that I did all of my interviews pre-COVID they may have changed the timelines some and how they go about selecting people for interview. Further, priority applicants who didn't interview this first (December) round of interviews are still in consideration for January (and perhaps February) interviews. I know it can be disheartening to see others getting those interviews you so desperately desire, but it's not game over for you yet. Breathe. We all get there eventually. My class had a 5th time reapplicant - it's possible. To all of you equally, interviews scheduled or not, good luck! Enthusiasm is key, be your best self! MBKU SPAS does not care about your grades or paper scores in the interview, they care about who you are.
  2. 10 points
    I understand you guys are nervous...we all are ...but posting your stats on here is not going to solve anything..regardless of stats, some people get in for other reasons so can we please post about if anyone received interviews?
  3. 10 points
    I'm just a student, so apologies if I've stepped out of my lane. However, the more thought I give to MCP, it doesn't seem so bad. What comes to mind are other generic title acronyms like EMT: Emergency Medical Technician. That's a relatively generic name but implies the point "I am a technician that provides emergency medical care". No one second guesses what an EMT is anymore, even if 99% of EMTs do not actually provide emergency medical care. Now, with MCP: "I am a practitioner, who provides xyz medical care"... Medical care is generic as generic gets, but if you lead up to the "medical care" part of the title WITH YOUR SPECIALTY, for example; EM guys/gals - an Emergency Medical Care Practitioner. Ortho folks; Orthopedic Medical Care Practitioner. Urologic medical care practitioner. Cardio-thoracic Medical Care Practitioner. Voluntarily drop the "care" for introductions, if you please, just to streamline the delivery; Emergency Medical Practitioner. Not so bad. Patients will be able to associate the role of "Practitioner" with the type of care provided. I work with a lot of NPs and they don't say "Hey, I am John, the Advanced Registered Nurse Practitioner." He is "John, the NP". And I'll tell you what, the vast majority of my patients/family know what an NP is without hesitation, just due to exposure over the years. But a decade ago, when I would make an appt at my PCP and the clerk would say I'm booked for "Cindy the Nurse Practitioner at 4pm", I didn't know wtf a Nurse Practitioner was, but as a patient, I eventually figured it out: someone with a higher level of education who can prescribe me those Abx jawns, and that's all I cared about. Some patients may be perturbed by hearing "assistant." However, toss out "assistant" for "practitioner" and I guarantee nobody will think twice about it. "Practitioner" is common tongue and associated with some "advanced medical care person". To the lay person, "Assistant" has never and will never be associated with anything "advanced", regardless if you tell them 1000 times that PA's are advanced. Critical thinking is slim pickings. At the end of the day, most patients just want to be treated, and treated well. If you screw up, it doesn't matter what your title is... MD, RN, Plumber... they'll remember you and associate you with shit care until the day they die. Be a GOOD MCP --> win patient trust --> make hospital admins happy --> everyone that matters is happy. I think the name change should be dealt with swiftly and attention turned back to bigger fish like FPA and rebuilding that relationship with the VA. Also, maybe the AAPA and AMA can find common ground in combating the NP creep. MCPs and MDs can be a unified force, instead of belligerents in a three-sided war. We need docs, and docs need us, but the idea that mid-levels can replace docs is dangerous. Forums like SDN and /r/residency can spread all the hate they want about NPs, but PAs (MCPs) should do all they can do avoid that negative attention. Some of you may think anecdotal rhetoric on internet forums/social media is nonsense and shouldn't be used as a metric to gauge the bigger picture... but this is the internet age, where platforms like reddit/twitter and forum boards influence millions upon millions of opinions, even swaying national elections. As a student, it disheartening to hear some of you consider jumping ship to NP. Honestly, that's not even a lateral transfer, its a downgrade. If you're so hell bent on being a completely independent clinician, go to med school. NPs have a healthy head start, but that gap can be closed. While we argue over semantics of MCP, the NPs conquer entire states and with them thousands of jobs. Time to move forward, quickly.
  4. 8 points
    Summary: Our natural inclination is to judge a title from our own perspective, what makes sense to us, but the purpose of a title is the other way around, to help those outside our profession understand who we are. To determine if a title is effective, you have to put yourself in the shoes of a regular person outside of healthcare who doesn't know the role or training of a Physician Assistant (which is the majority of people). Rather than starting from a point where you need to convince someone that we're more than an Assistant, we can use language they already know to start off on the right foot by identifying ourselves as Practitioners of Medical Care. Healthcare Professions Made Easy A Medical Doctor/Physician has a doctorate and 3+ years of specialized residency training in the medical model of care. A Medical Care Practitioner has a master's degree and training in the medical model of care. A Nurse Practitioner has a master's degree and training in the nursing model of care. A Nurse has an associates or bachelor's degree and training in the nursing model of care. Medical Assistants, Clinical Assistants and Nursing Assistants have a certificate or associates degree. The top 10 criticisms of Medical Care Practitioner Medical Care Practitioner sounds clunky and awkward. Any brand new title will sound awkward at first. People adapt and terms start to feel normal quicker than you would think. Clunky beats confusing when introducing yourself, especially in healthcare. Medical Care Practitioner is too vague and generic. Physician Assistant would sound vague if you were hearing it for the first time too. The more you hear Medical Care Practitioner connected with this profession the less generic it will sound. That's how language works. Words become meaningful through use. It may not sound as vague to those outside of healthcare, but vague is okay as a starting point. We can make it our own with time. Vague beats bizarre or misleading. We're far better off being paired with Medical Doctors and Nurse Practitioners than Medical Assistants and Nursing Assistants as a first impression. Changing titles would erase the work we've done to educate patients on the role of Physician Assistants. The PA name is tied to fond memories and pride for so many of us and I completely understand why those in the profession would feel attached to it, but we don't have to give up our memories or pride with a new title. Nor do we have to give up the trust we've earned from our current patients. The patients who value us truly do not care what we call ourselves. There will likely be a transition period where our business cards read "Medical Care Practitioner/Physician Assistant" and we'll need to tell folks about the change, but it won't be as bad as it may seem, people will quickly learn that Medical Care Practitioner is simply a new name for Physician Assistants, like Nissan was for Datsun. It won't erase our history or be confusing to patients who already understand our role. The real benefit is for future patients and those who don't understand our role. Medical Care Practitioner offers a more intuitive starting point. It causes people unfamiliar with our profession to start off with the positive impression that we're just as capable as other Practitioners of Medicine (rather than just as limited as other assistants). We've tried to get over the stigma of being Assistants of Physicians for 50 years but it won't go away until we fix the root cause. Physician Associate is an easier improvement to Physician Assistant. You're right, keeping PA would be easier in the short term, but it's not the best long term solution for patients, employers, or law makers to understand our role in healthcare. An Associate in a law firm is often a junior, non-terminal position. It's what new graduates are called who are seeking to become partners in the firm. Then there's a Walmart Associate, which may be the most familiar use of the term to many. Physician Associate isn't intuitive to those unfamiliar with PAs because we aren't Physicians and "associating" doesn't describe what we do. It will define our profession with another profession and prevent people from seeing us as distinct medical professionals. Medical Care Practitioner is much more clear. It speaks to patients in their own words instead of asking them to learn our new definition. More PAs want to be called Physician Associates right now. That's a fair point, but PAs already know what we do, a large purpose of a professional title is to identify ourselves to those who don't know what we do. Patients, physicians, and employers associated higher level tasks such as diagnosing patients and prescribing medications with Medical Care Practitioner more than Physician Associate. Physicians were also more likely to work with and recommend a Medical Care Practitioner compared to a Physician Associate. We have to put our patients, law makers, and employers ahead of our personal preferences to have the most effective title that moves us forward as a profession. It's too expensive. It will only get more expensive. That's the nature of putting things off. Being doubted of our ability and training due to our title has large costs too! How many patients have cancelled an appointment when they heard they'd "only be seeing the Physician's Assistant"? How many patients left dissatisfied expecting to see the Physician after us? How many legislators stopped paying attention when they heard "assistant"? These lost opportunities are major financial, legal, and legislative costs that easily amount to millions of dollars, they just don't appear on a balance sheet. It's too much work to have to explain a new title. Yes, it's a lot of work, and those nearing the end of their career will see less of the payoff than those earlier in their career, but like a lot of things, long term success is dependent on some short term sacrifice. Not addressing the underlying issue with our title will continue to hold our profession back if we ignore it. We can't expect to turn the tide for better results without doing something different. Changing our title will cause waves in the medical community. Any progress for our profession will cause waves in the medical community. Physicians are not in favor of us changing our name to Physician Associates. They will fight that change and it will generate resentment among some physicians if we disregard their wishes. It's easier to just let them have "Physician" for themselves. Medical Care Practitioner is our best option that has a viable chance to be acted on in the foreseeable future to cause the least waves without allowing further decline in our proportion of new hires relative to Nurse Practitioners. Our focus should be on OTP. We can walk and chew gum at the same time. How many emails have we sent to law makers to only have them read the subject line that an assistant is asking to not be considered an assistant and never heard a response? How many law makers assume we are less capable and more dependent on physicians than Nurse Practitioners because we call ourselves "Physician's Assistants" (what most people hear)? Politicians care about the way things sound to the general public. Passing a law stating "Physician Assistants no longer need direct supervision from physicians to treat patients" will never be as well received as "Nurse Practitioners and Medical Care Practitioners no longer need direct supervision from physicians to treat patients". Why not just Medical Practitioner? MCP sounds like a finger joint. WPP has said that among the 11,000 free response suggestions they reviewed, Medical Practitioner was suggested more than any other title, but legal review indicated it would be nearly impossible to adopt a title that has been used to mean other things in the past. This is also why Advanced Practice Provider, Advanced Practitioner, and many other suggested names had to be eliminated. The addition of Care makes Medical Care Practitioner a "new" title. MCP does remind those in healthcare of a metacarpophalangeal joint. I have no counter-argument there lol, but PA means posteroanterior and Pennsylvania, so we've overcome acronyms before. Thank you for your time and consideration! I really do feel that this could have a huge positive impact for our profession in the public eye and legislatively and I hope that this encourages others to support this positive step Make sure to check out the Title Change Investigation Report and Presentation if you are an AAPA member. WPP are the experts on market research and growing brands. They did a great job looking at this from multiple angles. They didn't become the #1 advertising company in the world by leading people astray and I think we would be wise to listen to their professional guidance.
  5. 8 points
    The appropriate scientific use for Facebook comments is verifying that the Internet is still up.
  6. 8 points
    I applied mid to late July and got that follow up email earlier today. Said "mid-December" on mine. I reached out to 2 friends who are in their first year at MBKU and they told me to not lose hope!! Not everyone who applies priority gets that email and there are current students who got that email and are thriving in the program! My friends reassured me that there is HOPE!
  7. 8 points
    Well said. I have been a strong advocate for physician associate. but!! this whole thing is about perception not reality. Reality is PAs rock and our name (perception) has really hurt us. To have a world wide PR company say MCP is better rec’d is all I need to know. Bring it on!!! All in for MCP!!!!
  8. 7 points
    We don't have an official position yet. We were waiting for the title investigation to complete. There wasn't much point in spending a lot of energy on the issue until we knew what the issue was. Personally I have long advocated for ANYTHING that cuts us loose from physicians in title and the minds of the public. We need a title that is ours...just ours...and not one that associates us (makes us a lesser version of) any other group. I would have supported Praxician over Physician Associate
  9. 7 points
    We need a name that a 6 years old can understand what we do. What we don’t need is an exclusive name like praxician where people have no clue. People also have no clue what a Physician Associate is. You can't even translate Physician Associate to different languages, you will end up seeing Physician's associate. Medical Care Practitioner takes no explanation. People hear the words Medical + Care + Practitioner, they know you are here to take care of their medical needs. We don’t need to sound like a Rocket Scientist. Physician Associate = Physician’s associate. You are just an associate of the physician, maybe like the office manager? Where is the physician? No offense, but why am I only seeing the associate?
  10. 5 points
    I am pretty sure they do. I know a student who did rotations at Hopkins. ok. I will create the page and share the link to join here.
  11. 5 points
    Received an interview invite yesterday! I have already accepted at another school, and decided to give up my spot for someone else. Good luck everyone! (:
  12. 5 points
    Accepted by email - 8:05pm, 11/30. I'll be turning down my spot to attend GW, so there's an open spot for someone else! Best of luck, everyone!!
  13. 5 points
    Hopefully we hear back today!
  14. 5 points
    Definitely stay positive. Remember there are like 50+ seats available. Maybe just a few really stood out during the interview. But those other spots still need to be filled. Write an excellent diversity statement. Don’t give up so easily. If they weren’t interested in you, you would have not received interview or secondary app invitations. Look at how far you’ve come.
  15. 5 points
    If you look at last years cycle you’ll see that people were getting interviews up until February. This year the admission is working remotely so it’s gonna take far longer to process everything.. don’t lose hope!
  16. 5 points
    I remember this: growing up and through high school people drove Datsuns. I learned to drive on a 72. Now no one under 40 knows what a datsun is. Nissan 300 ZX. Sure. Datsun 280 zx turbo(great car)? Nope, folks don't have a clue. It has only been 36 years and they elevated their brand from economy car to high end sports car. Infinity is the next step(those are souped up luxury nissans for those who don't know, much like honda to acura and toyota to lexus. My point being this: change takes time. PA to MCP makes sense for a number of reasons, but it might be 10+ years before it enters the common language. Given that many folks still don't know what a PA is, I am not too worried that it will confuse people. The ones who need to know will figure it out quickly.
  17. 5 points
    Man...this forum has gotten a little bit..ahem...depressing. There are some 3-year medical schools aimed at caring for rural populations as well. Medical College of Wisconsin comes to mind.
  18. 4 points
    Hey everyone! I am a current first year PA student at PCOM. I think it is very hard for us to give an umbrella opinion about our experience(s) at PCOM given this years circumstances. Doing school online has robbed us of the opportunity to get to know the faculty and vice versa like in years past. I think not having that relationship can often be mistaken for not caring. The faculty's hands are kind of tied with what they can and can't do because of COVID-19. So yes, we don't get say in most decision making but I do believe our best interest is at heart. "PCOM or the highway" isn't necessarily a bad thing. PCOM is very particular when it comes to learning history taking, writing SOAP notes, special tests, etc. It seems daunting at the time sure, but preceptors always report back and rave about how PCOM students are thorough and have the best technique. I know majority of my classmates and I have not ordered any textbooks and have managed to do well on exams. There have only been a handful of questions from that material. Not enough to let that deter you or instill fear. I know the class above me didn't order books either. My only complaint would be that there have been inconsistencies in expectations sometimes. H and P was mostly self taught with the exception of one lab per week. It was difficult to know how often we should be practicing or if what we were practicing was even correct. I think our learning experience would obviously have been maximized if we were on campus and could go to professors anytime. Again, that is out of the faculty's control. Overall, PA school is difficult and that is to be expected. It's all about being able to adapt. I hope this helped! Good luck to everyone!
  19. 4 points
    Has anyone applied that has not heard anything yet?
  20. 4 points
    Btw AANA endorsed for CRNAs to use the term Nurse Anesthesiologist. I am not going to comment on the merits of the name change, just wanted to point out that PAs are the only ones dragging their feet on issues. https://www.aana.com/docs/default-source/practice-aana-com-web-documents-(all)/crna-advanced-practice-registered-nurses.pdf?sfvrsn=da0049b1_10
  21. 4 points
    Should we create a facebook page?
  22. 4 points
    Don’t give up hope if you’re on the waitlist! I’m in the current class and was #16 on the waitlist when I got accepted in January!! It’s different every year of course but you never know!
  23. 4 points
    Just received my acceptance letter!!!!! So excited!!!
  24. 4 points
  25. 4 points
    I am friends with someone currently in the program and I also know two different PAs who have graduated from this program and are successful in their fields. I have not heard any negative comments from these people. One PA graduated back when the program was new, the other PA graduated about three years ago and my friend is a first year student. The faculty wants students to succeed. I heard that they are easy to approach and as for having to know details, PA school is not going to be easy no matter where you go. I don't believe that one post was an accurate representation of everyone's experiences with PCOM.
  26. 4 points
    I am guessing the acceptances get sent between 4:30 and 5. I am hoping I see a lot of " I got in but it's not my first choice" , "just got accepted to another school", "i just wanted the interview experience"
  27. 4 points
    Hey guys! First year PA student here! I like to check up on this thread every once in awhile to see how you all are doing! I know I was very anxious this time last year. I saw some posts about an email kind of extending offers...I’ve never heard of such a thing during my year from anyone. It may be a new thing due to covid or those who got them in my class and the years before were silent about them. I’m not sure but please do not get discouraged if you did not receive one. Not only do a lot of people get accepted, but a lot of people drop their offers in the months leading up to the program. I know of people who got accepted in the two weeks before we started. DO NOT LOSE HOPE. Kill your supplementals. Due to a lot of people receiving them, they are very important! I’m here if you have any questions!
  28. 4 points
    If it came down to a point necessitating a bridge to NP degree I’d rather exit medicine entirely.
  29. 4 points
    Seriously, wake up people. PA to NP bridge? at the shortest it’ll be 2-3 years, and you get out to do exactly the same thing. At that point, I’d rather go to med school
  30. 4 points
    Hi guys! I'm a PA student at SCU and just wanted to help you all out - the first round of interview invites went out right around this time last cycle.. hopefully some of you hear really soon! Also, the probation status is entirely because of administrative problems - nothing to do with the quality of education of the PA program
  31. 4 points
    Assistant to Associate reminds me of this story https://www.reuters.com/article/us-austria-village/tired-of-sniggers-austrian-village-tweaks-its-name-to-fugging-idUSKBN28627D VIENNA (Reuters) - The Austrian village of Fucking is changing its name, the mayor of the municipality where it is located said on Thursday, after residents apparently grew tired of the sniggers it prompted in the English-speaking world and of visitors stealing its signs. The village, part of the municipality of Tarsdorf, north of Salzburg and near the German border, has long been a figure of fun in English-speaking media, which have gleefully reported local exasperation at signs being removed. In 2018 the pornographic website Pornhub said it was offering free premium access to residents of Fucking and towns with names such as Titz, Germany or Big Beaver, Pennsylvania, in the United States. "I am confirming that it has in fact been decided by the local council. I will not say any more about it," Tarsdorf Mayor Andrea Holzner told Reuters. The decision was also posted on the council's website here. As of Jan. 1 the village will be called Fugging, the official statement said, adding that the initiative had been brought by the residents of the village.
  32. 4 points
    I have joined as an admin at facebook.com/PAforMCP and started a petition at change.org/PA-for-MCP (NOTE: We are not asking for donations via change.org, just signatures. Donations on that site go solely to change.org) If you believe a title change to Medical Care Practitioner would benefit the PA profession, please like our FB page and sign our petition. We will present this to the AAPA to show our support of action on Title Change in May 2021. I will be reaching out to my classmates and colleagues to support these efforts over the coming weeks and hope you will too! We can do this together!
  33. 4 points
  34. 4 points
    I interviewed in person on October 9th and I just received my acceptance yesterday! Super excited!!!
  35. 4 points
    To that point, the leadership has drastically changed the past 5 years so I'm sticking around... If I were to go "back to school" it would be a DO bridge but I'm too old now so I'm here for another 15 to 20 then I'm out. I'll do what I can to promote the profession meanwhile.
  36. 4 points
    Says he has been pushing for a name change for years. Provides some great examples of his (failed) efforts to educate people on our title and our role. His best example is speaking with some pharmacy reps who he struggled to convince he could legally prescribe their medication. Their reply was "if you are not an assistant, then why would you call yourself an assistant?" Talks about all the patients we are losing due to being told they will be seeing an assistant when scheduling, patient expectations of seeing a doc after seeing the assistant, losing students because there are so many opportunities to be a 'doctor' (MD, DO, pharm, podiatry, etc). Talks about how many medical professionals are actually surprised to hear what our actual role is. How not changing out title will lead to more costs than changing it. I think that's about it.
  37. 4 points
    My vote is for MCP. It is long and clunky, but our patient's and the public will undoubtedly shorten the title and just call us "Medical Practitioners" which sounds much better IMO. We must get rid of "physician" from OUR title. And "associate" must never be implemented into OUR title. Tell everyone!!!
  38. 4 points
    PAs are hot, but NPs are hotter. There are more jobs for the NPs. I personally know few Pre-PAs became Pre-NPs, especially after AB891 had passed (Independent practice for NP in CA). We don’t have an identity, we’ve failed. That is why we are even discussing a title change after 50 years. After 50 years, we still have to explain what we do. The word Associate is not without ambiguity. In a law firm, an associate is a lower level lawyer. I also think Physician Associate sounds like an apprentice, a knock off physician. MCP fit the AAPA definition perfectly 'Medical Care Practitioner are medical professionals who diagnose illness, develop and manage treatment plans, prescribe medications, and often serve as a patient’s principal healthcare provider. With thousands of hours of medical training, Medical Care Practitioner are versatile and collaborative.'
  39. 4 points
    The NPs will "steamroll over us" (haven't they already though? ) if we ONLY change our title and that's it... WE NEED TO PURSUE FPAR not only OTP. I wish we could do MCP and FPAR in one fell swoop... But I kind of see the plan to get the title change to perhaps improve our chances with FPAR. Arguably, legislators should have an easier time writing us in with NP laws if we were "Practitioners" vs "Assistants" or even "Associates." A lot of PAs here and in the huddle have posted about FPAR recently so I hope it catches on more. I think that's what we need to adopt. Maybe we can shuck OTP and go whole hog FPAR if the title is changed.
  40. 4 points
    I've said it before and will say it again. I'm not a physician. I'm not an assistant. I'm not an associate. Firefighters fight fires. Tree trimmers trim trees. Sailors sail things. I practice medicine. If it lumps us in with NPs I don't particularly care. They've done such an amazing job with legislation and PR I'm not even mad. And as much as we tout our training model I'm not seeing a load of dead and/or dying patients outside of any NP's clinics so I don't know what to tell you.
  41. 4 points
    I wouldn't count yourself out yet. It may be the last scheduled interview session but if something happens and they want to look at more applicants maybe they'll do some more dates. It is not over until you get that rejection letter. Stay in the fight and continue to search for ways you can improve
  42. 4 points
    I got accepted!! So excited! Karen
  43. 4 points
    Farmer, butcher, and barber don't have the majority of the public not understanding their role, PAs do. Generic is better than wrong. Being assumed to be assistants has real world costs to our profession that far exceed $1 million (wouldn't surprise me if the lost income, independence, and malpractice due to being thought of as assistants was in the hundreds of millions tbh). Despite decades of trying to inform people about our profession, the majority still think we are less capable than we are because our name implies we are just Assistants to Physicians. We can argue the apostrophe s all we want, but you are fighting an uphill battle when your introduction gives the wrong first impression. The simple fact is people are stubborn and it's hard to change their minds.
  44. 3 points
    Thank you so much for your words of encouragement!!! Congrats on graduating and taking the PANCE! To all the applicants who received emails today about being considered for the next round of interviews, I did as well. Mid-December is real soon s let's all stay hopeful!
  45. 3 points
    I mean I have 40+ years left in professional life, so if push came to shove.. If we could just do a medical residency, that would be even better
  46. 3 points
    Got accepted from the 11/18 interview!!! Got the email last night!
  47. 3 points
    At first at was for the Physician Associate title. It seemed the 'obvious' one. But the more I look at MCP it basically is so easy that it really shouldn't even be a debate. Even if it costs more in the short term, there is no doubt it is worth in the long term of the career. You don't want to be tied down to anything 'Physician' related or you will always be relegated to some type of Physican Extender, basically working on behalf of another career. It honestly does not matter if the name is generic or not. Eventually, people will adjust to saying the name. The main and the most important point is differentiating our career as its OWN. From there you can have a legit doctorate terminal degree that looks better on paper and you can push/ lobby more easily for rights and stop this unnecessary stuff that is holding us back. We are literally the only advanced graduate medical career that I can think of that doesn't have an established doctorate. Come on guys, we sign off on papers from doctorate trained OTs, PTs, we send RX's so PharmD's can fill, our training (my MS has more hours than a friends DPT) and scope is obviously way more than those former that we mentioned but on paper we look inferior as 'Assistants' that have a mere Master's degree. I always knew that the word 'Assistant' was gonna be a crutch. It's now or never!
  48. 3 points
    Agree with you on precept vs reality. I told myself, even If the final report shows clearly that Physician Assistant is the best title there is, I will accept that. WPP definitely knows more about marketing and PR than I am. I will accept the reality now, and all in for MCP.!
  49. 3 points
    3rd times a charm for this girl! Beyond excited!
  50. 3 points
    Congratulations to everyone so far!! I’m still waiting
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