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  1. 42 points
    yup, I have a lot of free time on my hands working solo night shifts.... anyway, some of these things have been listed here over the years, but thought I would put them all in one place 1. your first job is about leaning your trade, not about money 2. if you can afford to do a residency in your field of choice, do it! see #1 above 3. as a new grad you can have 2 of the following 3 if you are lucky; location, specialty, salary. choose wisely. 4. don't buy a $50,000 car right out of school. a good rule of thumb is take your yearly salary and divide it by 3. at most you should spend 30k on a car if you make 90k/yr assuming no alternative source of income and no other major debt. I have too many friends who have to work extra to make their $700/mo BMW payment. drive a safe and efficient car until you can afford your dream car. 5. don't buy a $500,000 house right out of school if you are single. take your yearly income and multiply by 3. this is a good price for a first house. 90k salary? 270k house. spouse/partner also makes 90k? you can double that. 6. living within your means(see #4 and 5 above) means you can work less, travel more, and take time to enjoy life. I spent too much of my 20s, 30s, and most of my 40s working 180-220 hrs/month. don't do that. now I work 168 hrs/month and have never been happier. I used to never have time to go out with friends. now I go out at least once/week, go to jazz clubs, etc. in 2017 I already have tix for sting, red hot chili peppers, U2, and foreigner concerts. I also now have time to do 2-3 international medical missions/year and taake time out with the family for spring break, cme conferences, etc 7. don't take the first job you are offered unless it's perfect. don't settle for mediocrity. 8. don't work in a field you detest just because it is a job. moving is better. you will be miserable doing surgery, urology, pain clinic, etc if you hate it 9. don't accept a "training salary" unless in a formal residency program. A formal residency program has off-service rotations and dedicated learning time. don't be fooled by training fellowships that are just low paid jobs in one dept in disguise. 10. don't accept a position that does not offer cme, retirement, malpractice, vacation, etc. you have earned a benefits package 11. don't work in a very narrow field right out of school unless it is your dream job and you never intend to leave the specialty. I know lots of folks stuck in jobs they hate who can't leave them. 12. if you are getting burned out consider the following: work fewer hrs/mo, see fewer pts/shift, switch specialty, switch location, find somewhere you are appreciated. I can't tell you how much better my mood is after transitioning from a high volume/low acuity facility(30 pts/12 hrs) where I was treated like an interchangeable worker bee to a low volume/high acuity(10 sick pts/24 hrs) facility where I am valued as an individual for my skill set and experience. 13. don't sign a lengthy contract or a non-compete clause. these are tools to keep clinicians in crappy jobs. If it's a good job, you will want to stay anyway. 14. don't take a job where your clinical supervisor is an RN or office manager. we are not medical assistants 15. don't refer to yourself as Dr Smith's PA. they don't own you. Say instead " I'm John Doe, one of the PAs here" or "I'm John Doe, I work with Dr Smith on the surgical service". language matters. don't let yourself be treated like an assistant. don't regularly take out trash, take your own vitals, room patients, etc unless the docs in the group do too. I can see this in a small office, but there is no excuse for it elsewhere. 16. don't work for free. if you are charting at home, make sure that you get paid for it. may add more later, but that's what I've got for now after a 24 hr shift. 17. don't take a job at far below market value just to be in a particular location. lots of new grads are taking jobs in NYC for example at 55-60k. As a young new grad this may seem like a lot of money if you have never had a real job before. it isn't when the national average is around 90k. know what you are worth. don't accept less. if enough of us do that the crappy job offers will go away.
  2. 40 points
    Hey everyone, I created this list of schools for those of us who did poorly in college when we were kids and have desires to be PA's. The list consists of the following: School name, CGPA, SGPA, PrereqGPA, and HCE hours. I don't know if this is ALL of the schools, but it was all of the ones I could find and I looked at pretty much every PA program. I hope this helps some of you out in your application process. If any one knows of other schools you can comment below and I will add them. Best of luck to all. https://docs.google.com/document/d/10DB5YytgTE6oOarGVgJQ_1Mm8Jj6g5J8eS1-yRj1CA8/edit?usp=sharing
  3. 33 points
    Hey everyone, I'm a fourth year medical student- if there are any of you that ever spend time on Student Doctor Network might know me as Mad Jack. I am a respiratory therapist as well, though no longer by trade, but I keep my license active as a matter of pride. But here's something I've noticed over the years. I was guilty of it as well, when I was "just" a respiratory therapist, and even now, when I'll occasionally mutter that I'm "just" a medical student. You aren't "just" PAs. You're damn good clinicians that many hospitals and practices couldn't function without. You've got strong clinical skills and acumen that allow you to do many of the same things physicians do, and often just as well or better. Yeah, you aren't the physician, but you're also not "just" a PA, you're a physician assistant, a title you worked hard to earn and work harder still to practice. So next time you find yourself about to say it, maybe hold back and say something else. I know it's easy, and fast, and gets across what you like to say. I did it all the time as a respiratory therapist- "oh, I'm just the RT..." And now it's frequently, "oh, I'm just the medical student..." But I feel like it feeds into a subconscious narrative that you're something lesser, either to you or those around you. Every clinician should be proud of what they do, physician assistants as much as any. We all make this health care thing work (when it does, at least) and we all have a part to play. This post was kind of prompted due to my accidentally offending a PA. She said, "I'm just a PA," to the radiologist when asking him to verify what she'd read. He and I were both like, "you're not just a PA." Her read was right, and I was like, "you're not just a PA, you know what you're doing." Which I think she took to mean other PAs don't, but she does. But that's not what I meant at all- "you're not just a PA, you're a skilled clinician that knows what you are doing- you are a physician assistant, and a good one at that" would have been the more wordy but accurate thing to say. Yeah, she isn't a radiologist, but maybe she could've said, "I just wanted an expert read on this" and brought him up rather than shooting herself down, I don't know. With other providers it isn't a big deal, but with patients, I feel like saying "my initial impression is X, and we should have a final read from radiology soon" rather than "I'm just the PA, and I think X, but let's see what the radiologist says" comes across better. Anyway, that's it from me. Keep being awesome you guys.
  4. 27 points
    I just want to encourage those of you who have a low GPA and want to become a PA. Here’s a little bit about me. I applied twice to PA school. The first time I applied, I applied to 12 schools and didn’t get an interview invite from any of them. My cGPA during the first cycle was around d 2.88 and my sGPA was around a 3.2. I had rough start to my college career. My GRE scores were horrible- less than 140 on both the quantitative and qualitative. After my rejection, I retook the GRE. I ended up getting 151 on the qualitative, 147 on the quantitative, and 3.0 writing. I retook two of my prerequisite classes, both of which I had C’s in. The grades I got in those classes was an A, and one B. I Also took another biology class just to add a little more to my GPA. Even with my improvements, I still didn’t fully believe that I could compete with the stellar applicants on this forum. I guess one of things that I had going for me as it concerned my GPA is that there was an upward trend. Over the last 100 or so credit hours, I went hard. I averaged somewhere around a 3.5 cGPA—this included the later semesters of my undergrad work as well as my post-bacc—but still my cGPA remained at below 3.0 As many of you know, low GPA’s aren’t appealing to schools. Many of you are wondering what can you do to stand out amongst the crowd of those with damn near 4.0 GPA’s. Here’s my advice, go to the open houses!!!!! Almost every school that I’ve applied to has an open house meeting. Here, you’ll have the opportunity to meet with the admission faculty. By attending, you become more than just an applicant, you become an actual person. When you go, make sure you dress and act as though you were on an actual interview. You are being watched the entire time by both the faculty and students. Make sure you speak well and look good. Buy a new suit…but not a black one. Black is a common color that people wear to the open houses and interview. Remember, your goal is to stand out, so details are important. This advice my friends is what I believe contributed to my admission into PA school. Of course, my hard work over my last 100 credit hours played a major part too. So I guess my point in all this is to push as hard as you can to help resolve the mistakes that you may have made in your earlier college days and go for the gold!! My last bit of advice is to not allow yourselves to be filled with doubt. I was disheartened to read some of the replies to the posts on this fourm where PA applicants asked if they had a chance of getting accepted to PA school with stats that were similar to mine. Some people were advised by members of this fourm that they had no chance, and I couldn't disagree more. This opportunity is yours for the taking. Don't accept someone on a blog site telling you that you don't have what it takes. Blessinga to you all.
  5. 23 points
    ...No one knows. You're receiving moderately-educated guesses at best, and wild shots in the dark from internet strangers at worst. Even an adcom member can't give you a 100% reliable "chance" because each school is different. Your experiences, personal statement, school list, timing, and "fit" all play a role. Even then, adcoms make surprising decisions. It's not uncommon to be accepted to reach programs and rejected from "safety" schools. Instead of risking false confidence or misplaced defeat, ask yourself these questions instead: Are my GPAs, both science and cumulative, competitive compared to this school's accepted student profile? If not, is the reason compellingly discussed in my personal statement? Does my transcript show that I have grasped the fundamental knowledge to succeed with intense, graduate-level medical science coursework? If there are weak areas of knowledge on my transcript, have I put in the work to turn those weaknesses into strengths? Do I meet all the prerequisite requirements for each school on my list? If I have a questionable course, have I asked for clarification from the schools that require it? Is my PCE (hours and type) competitive compared to this school's accepted student profiles? If my GPAs are below the accepted average, does my PCE surpass the average? If my PCE is below the accepted average, does my GPA surpass it? Have I spent time making sure my experience descriptions are comprehensive and accurately convey what I've learned? Have I scored at least 300 on the GRE (if I'm choosing to take it)? Do my other activities show deeper layers of my personality and interests? Have I taken on increasing responsibility as I've grown? If I've stated an interest in a specific area (for example, underserved or rural care), do my experiences show my passion for that area is genuine? Have at least three people agreed to write me an excellent letter? Do my references meet each school's requirements? Does my personal narrative have an introduction that grabs the reader's interest? Do I "show" the qualities that will make me an outstanding PA, instead of just listing them? Do I show understanding of a PA's role? Does the conclusion convince the reader I'm ready for PA school? Have others read and enjoyed my narrative? Is it grammatically flawless? Do I have an overarching passion or theme that ties my application together? Are my future goals guided by my experiences? Am I a good "fit" at each school on my list? If an interviewer asks me why I applied to each school, what will I say? Do I have a game plan for applying? Have I set myself up for success by planning to apply early? Have I thought beyond the finish line of getting a seat to the logistics, pressures, and potential loneliness of devoting the next 2-3 years to school? Am I in a financial position to fund CASPA costs, interview expenses, seat deposits, and relocation expenses? Am I in a financial position to afford PA school? How is my credit score? Do I have significant undergrad loans, car payments, mortgage payments, or other financial constraints? Does my family truly understand the time investment of PA school? Will my partner move with me if I relocate, or will we have a long-distance relationship? Are we both on the same page about these plans? Can I confidently say I'm ready, not just for PA school, but for life as a PA? Gratuitous link to my blog: https://emttopac.wordpress.com
  6. 23 points
    Last week I got my first official application decision of the cycle. Opening the email, I scanned the words frantically until I found the sentence I was fearing the most. It read, “I regret to inform you of the program’s decision not to pursue your application further.” These words translate much more simply to “rejection.” For a moment I felt like I couldn’t breathe. I knew that I would be receiving rejections throughout the cycle, but had hoped and prayed it wouldn’t be from this school. Not only was this program one of my top choices, but it is also the only school in my home city. The realization that I would not have the opportunity to interview hit me like a ton of bricks. With GPAs well above the program’s average and my state residency giving me a leg up over other applicants, I felt that I would likely secure an interview. I was wrong. After the news, I began to question my application strategy entirely. I chose to apply more intentionally to a handful of carefully selected programs landing on the lower side of things - 6. As the September 1st deadline for many programs was only a few days away I sent my GRE scores off to an additional school that I was going back and forth on, hoping that they would arrive on time. I was relieved to have everything complete with one other program, but I still questioned if 7 would be enough to land me an acceptance or even an interview. At this point I was doubting myself, my personal statement, my clinical experiences… everything. I wondered if there were red flags in my application or if I said the wrong things in the answers to the supplemental questions. I tried to stay optimistic, but I was disappointed and feeling insecure. My first rejection was certainly humbling, planting seeds of doubt that were becoming overwhelming. And then I saw it. I was eating my lunch and scanning my email when I suddenly read “Invitation to Interview” in the subject line of an email from my top choice. My heart started racing and my palms were sweating. After seeing the date provided, only 3.5 weeks away, I could barely focus enough to read about the interview details. I was ecstatic. Their initial email contained a typo and in a follow up email with a correction the admissions director revealed that I was the very first applicant to be offered an interview. I couldn’t believe it. This school was my reach, and I certainly wasn’t counting on being offered an interview, let alone the first one. I was over the moon. Here I am now, in the midst of the cycle with one interview scheduled and one rejection. Things are still up in the air, but I feel that I am at least back in the game. The ups and downs of this roller coaster ride will continue, and I couldn't be happier. Thus far, this process has been unpredictable. Although I have heard this repeated many times here by those wiser than myself, this experience has definitely shown me that there is no such thing as a sure thing when applying to PA school. Don’t be so quick to count yourself in, but also don’t count yourself out.
  7. 23 points
    I wanted to make a very brief and to-the-point case for a new title: Medical Practitioner. As a profession what we need more than ever is our own path. * How do we separate ourselves from NPs? Well, the biggest thing is that we practice medicine within the medical model. * How do we separate ourselves from Physicians? Well, we aren't physicians and did not train as one, but we still practice medicine. My point is that Medical Practitioner not only describes what we do perfectly, but it gives us our own path. We can say we are a practitioner just like NPs, but we practice in the medical model. We can say that we practice medicine similar to Physicians, but our training was more accelerated and we did not attend a full residency, and therefore we are practitioners.
  8. 22 points
    So I need to keep this a bit vague, but interesting story. I had a pt recently with a significant traumatic injury who was not appropriate to keep at my rural , critical access hospital. I called one of the regional trauma ctrs(on a recorded line) and got a physician on the phone who is well known for not liking PAs. I presented a straightforward case about wanting to transfer the pt to a higher level of care for surgical evaluation and possible intervention. The physician started giving me the third degree and telling me how this was an inappropriate transfer because "most people with this injury don't require operative intervention". I pointed out that I was in a very small ED with minimal resources for trauma more than an hour away from a facility with a trauma surgeon. the physician told me to "talk to my IR department" to which I responded that we don't have one. I told the doc 5 or 6 times: the staff here is me, a handful of nurses, an xray tech, a lab tech, and an on-call fp physician who would never consider admitting a pt for observation of this particular injury. the doc then said" well let me talk to the ED physician then because you are just the PA". repeat of prior conversation. I had to resort to mentioning I knew the chief of trauma at the facility in question and they had asked me to send this type of pt to them before. after a 10 min conversation that should have lasted 2, the doc accepted the transfer. after they got off the recorded line, the transfer coordinator still on the line started apologizing. the next day I got a call from the chief medical officer of that hospital, who said he had reviewed the recording, apologized and assured me I would not have to deal with that behavior again. EM PA 1, Asshat surgeon zero. about time. behavior like this surgeon's used to be standard practice. this surgeon hit every benchmark for being the stereotypical surgeon during our call. they were belittling, condescending, and dismissive of my request, mostly because I was a PA. glad someone finally decided that this was not acceptable behavior. I did not need help making the decision to transfer. this was not a request for consult. I know my resources and knew this pt could quickly exceed them. I think this is probably the first time in 31 years that I have ever gotten an apology about this kind of behavior. maybe things are looking up.
  9. 22 points
    If it makes you feel better, we are not alone - in addition to killing PAs, NPs are killing a lot of patients, too.
  10. 20 points
    All is right in this world. Accepted into Emory University. I am done with this forum for now...everyone aspiring to get into PA school it took me four cycles. LETS GO.
  11. 20 points
    Hey guys, My name is Logan and I am a new first year at the University of Florida. It wasn't long ago at all that I was sitting where you are sitting, knee deep in the application journey for PA school. I have compiled a list of things which opened my eyes to the application process after having been through it twice, as well as things I wish I had known going into the process which I think would've helped me be better prepared. A little background on me-- I got my degree in Athletic Training at Nova Southeastern University in Florida, where I was SUPER involved in extracurriculars and leadership positions (multiple leadership positions in my fraternity, ATSO, Order of Omega, Up 'Til Dawn, research, etc) plus employed on campus. Because I was so involved, my grades suffered and I ended up graduating with a 3.4 cumulative GPA and a 3.28 science GPA... Not great. Through my undergrad being in a medical field, I also had a bunch of rotation hours to list on my resume. Immediately after graduation I had a bit of an identity crisis not knowing fully yet what I wanted to do "when I grew up", I went straight into paramedic school to gain added experience and buy time to figure out my future. I applied to the CASPA for the first time in 2015 straight out of medic school and, as you probably picked up, didn't get in. As a matter of fact, I didn't even get an interview... anywhere. Devastated, I decided to get a change of pace and uprooted my life to transplant somewhere else and busted ass working. I also identified that a couple of my science classes were a weak spot on my application, so I re-took them. I took a year off from applying and in 2017 I applied to 12 schools, was extended an interview at 9, and accepted at 6. Here is my list of things I have picked up along the way, and tips for you moving forward. When Applying: Apply Early!!! I know everyone says this but trust me, if you can beat the crowd, even if your application is meh, you may still be a shining star out of the small percentage to take this advice. Your chances of getting an interview is significantly higher the earlier you apply, especially if the program has rolling admissions. Get your application busted out literally as soon as possible, spend a short time reviewing everything, and start submitting them quick. If you are reading this now (posted at the end of June) and you haven't started submitting (or are close to submitting save for some last minute tweaking) yet, you are behind the ball. Get on it!! Apply Everywhere Make a list of literally every school (in the WHOLE US) you qualify for by the minimum standards (GPA, GRE scores, Class Prereqs). Yes, this is time intensive but there are books that can help you outline each program and their requirements. Once you have the expansive list of programs which you could theoretically get in to, cross out the ones which you would not accept even if you were given an acceptance. For me, it was anywhere with too cold of a winter (true southerner and have been in Florida for the last 9 years... 60 is chilly for me, lol). Keep narrowing your list till you get to between 10 and 15 schools. Obviously if you are a perfect applicant with a 4.0 GPA, incredible GRE scores, tons of patient contact, and a resume a mile long with achievements; you can have a shorter list... but since most people reading this don't have the "perfect" application, it is better to cast the net wide. Also- Just because a school says it will accept outstanding prereqs, doesn't mean in reality it will. Why should they take 1 incomplete package when they have thousands of others who offer the total package. Save your money and keep looking. Once you decide what schools you are applying to, make a folder on your computer dedicated to just that school. ex- "PA School Applications" > "University of Florida". Inside that folder, have every document pertaining to that school you can get. Any pertinent research you stumble across, all your essays, a copy of your supplemental application, etc.... You will be happy you did that when it is time to research for your interview. Save Up Money It is incredible how expensive the application process is, and not something I expected when I initially applied. The CASPA applications are expensive, especially for as many schools as you should be applying to. Then you have to worry about Secondary applications. Then when you start getting interview invites you need to pay for travel and the hotel, plus food, etc. It all adds up quick, especially if you have multiple interviews back to back in different states. Plan for it financially and it will be a HUGE weight off your shoulders when the time comes. Assuming you get in somewhere, then you have the seat deposit which is usually between $500 and $1000 - some more, some less. Make Sure Your Application is "Perfect" Before Submitting Every applicant gets the same baseline question... "Why Do You Want to be a PA". Every applicant is going to have a lot of (boring) similarities in their answer which the AdComm is going to read THOUSANDS of times before the cycle closes. Don't waste your one shot at giving them a glimpse into your personality and a reason to admit you. Show your passion for the profession without being cliche and highlight your achievements without sounding cocky or pretentious. PEER REVIEW THE HELL OUT OF IT. Like literally send it to all your friends who can write well. Send it to your high school or college lit professors. Send it to your career services department. Legitimately send it to anyone who will read it and give you honest feedback. Tell them to rip it apart grammatically, and offer them the option to tell you it sucks or put them to sleep. Kick your feelings and pride out the door for this one, if your essay sucks, you will not get an interview anywhere. Period. Once you have your essay as perfect as you think you can get it, hire a service to review it. I used myPAresource.com for my personal statement which was an incredible resource for the personal statement only. The give you line by line suggestions and edits and are ridiculously thorough. Once I got that back and had the rest of my application completed (all the other tabs on CASPA) I used www.mypatraining.com/applying-pa-school-coaching/ to have Paul rip apart the rest of my application to tweak the other parts (the little details you may have overlooked which could damage the overall application). Both services cost money, but were 10,000,000,000,000% worth it in my opinion. It is an investment in your future -- can you really afford to re-apply (again), and also miss out on another year of PA-C pay? Be Smart About Your References!!! A phenomenal recommendation from a PA-C in a small clinic in a town no one has ever heard of, who you have known for 8 years, ALWAYS trumps a mediocre recommendation from a big name in medicine who doesn't really know you well at all. The recommendation letters are a MAJOR factor in the AdComm's decision making process, and I had my letters mentioned in almost every interview I went to. Pick your people wisely, it really does make all the difference in the world. Pick people who know you well, have history working with you, and who think highly of you. Get Experience Get lots of it. Everywhere you can. Volunteering is YUUUGGEEEE in applications. if you have a lot of it, you will stand out. Do something where you are actually putting hands on patients. Looks better on paper and also helps build your bedside manor. EMT / CNA / Surgical Tech, etc are all great experiences (and extremely easy / short classes). Being a scribe is ookkkkkaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy... but doesn't actually place any responsibility on you except being the provider's lap dog. Once Your Applications Are Submitted: Take a breath, but don't stop being great! The most labor intensive part of applying is done. Now it is just the waiting game which is killer. Use this time to keep bettering your application. Put in OT at work, Volunteer regularly, Re-take classes, etc. Most programs predict your future hour calculations based on the numbers you provide in your applications. You can go back in and add new experiences to your CASPA applications which some programs care about, others don't. When you do major things, shoot the point of contact for the program an e-mail or call the program to update them. Each program gets several thousands of applicants each cycle and although they wish they had a warehouse of people working around the clock to filter through applications and answer questions, most of the time it is just a few people doing everything. DON'T BUG THEM. Imagine if you had 3,000 people constantly e-mailing you and calling you at work... you'd never get anything done... don't be "that guy". Only update for the major things, and save the rest for the interview. DON'T BASE YOUR TIMELINE OFF ANYONE ELSE!!!! This forum is great for getting information... and also for causing anxiety attacks. I applied to UF within the first few weeks of the application being open and interviewed in one of the last groups and was almost immediately accepted following the interview. Don't lose hope till you get that e-mail or letter saying "thank you for applying but kick rocks". Time doesn't always equate to standing in their system. Make sure your contact information on CASPA is correct ***AND PROFESSIONAL****. Should go without saying but having inappropriate e-mails or voicemails may be funny in high school, the person trying to contact you for an interview may not find them as funny. You Get Called for an Interview!! Congrats!! It seems like a dream at first and that euphoric feeling proves all your hard work to that point is worth it. Do your happy dance then get back to business, this is where the intensive work begins. RESEARCH THE SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't put enough emphasis on this. Research the school so well that you and the Dean over the medical programs are practically on a first name basis. Every program has a website where they usually list their achievements, their scores, their faculty / staff, etc. Commit it all to memory. Make a Microsoft Word document dedicated to facts about the school and save it in the folder I mentioned earlier. Include pictures of the faculty and a short bio or things to take notice of. It is okay to creep a little bit (not like looking in their windows, etc)-- but like google their names, get on their Linked-In accounts. Get on the program's Social Media account and creep on that. Look for pictures and clues about the program, its goals and culture, and also about the students and what they are into. What is the mission statement? Does the program do medical missions? To where? Is the program big in the community? Do the students seem like a close knit bunch having a blast or are they indifferent to being there? How involved outside of the classroom are the professors? etc... You can gain a TON of insight by doing a google search of the program and by looking on the program's social media. Use this site and others to figure out what style of interview you are walking into. MMI / Panel / 1 on 1 / Group are all vastly interview styles and require a different preparation. Most of them have a group interview where you are tasked with solving a problem or working as a team on an exercise. Do yourself a favor and stand in the middle of the extremes on this one. This is an exercise to see if you can work and blend in a group setting... Be too aggressive (not knowing when to shut up / interrupting people) and you will be rated as bad as the person who doesn't really contribute anything to the group. Research Yourself!! Intimately know what is on your application and what is on your resume. You are going to get questions drawn directly from your application and resume... be able to recite the major numbers and have the important details readily available. One of the things I goofed pretty bad on in one of my interviews was not reviewing the independent research I had done Freshman and Sophomore year of undergrad... so like 5 years prior to the interview. It was on my application so it was fair game, and when asked about the more intricacies of the study, I blanked... not a good thing to do when sitting in front of the medical director for the program. Re-read your essay and supplemental apps. You may think you know your application pretty well but if you are not fresh on how you phrase things, etc, you may contradict yourself to the person with your essay literally in front of them. Make Smart Travel Plans Murphy's Law is a real thing and is no fun to try to come back from. I suggest always travelling a day in advanced to avoid any last-minute headaches. I was scheduled for an afternoon group on one of my interviews so I figured I would just fly in on the morning of and have like 6 hours to kill before my interview. Save money and time, right?... nope. My 6am flight was delayed due to mechanical failure until 1pm, putting me in the city at 3:30, 30 minutes after my interview was supposed to be. #Stress. It ended up working out okay, the program was understanding and that was one of the programs I ended up getting into... but if you can avoid that situation, save yourself the grey hairs. Go to bed early the night before and try to get good rest. Eat a balanced meal for dinner -- nothing too heavy or greasy. Day of the interview: The Motto of the Day is Calm / Cool / Collected If you let your anxiety get the better of you, you are 100% guaranteed to fail. Breathe... your preparation has done you well. The Morning of the Interview Wake up EARLY... like whatever time you need to get ready and get to the interview site on time (15 - 30 minutes early), wake up an hour before that. Remove any possibility of having to be rushed and your day will start off on the right foot. Eat a [LIGHT] breakfast. This is the food which will be keeping you awake and happy when meeting people, but should not have you in the bathroom every 20 minutes. My usual breakfast was a small amount of scrambled eggs, a small piece of protein (bacon or sausage), toast, and fruit, with water or juice to drink. Avoid dairy or anything too acidic (coffee or orange juice) if you think that will mess up your already anxious stomach. Leave Your Phone in the Car!!! Even checking your phone during the day can indicate boredom or that you are uninterested... appearances are EVERYTHING. If you rest your head, close your eyes, or even glance at your phone you can rest assured that you are on someone's radar for the wrong reasons. When You Get to Campus Everything, I mean EVERYTHING is scrutinized from the moment you get on campus. Your driving through campus to your destination should be impeccable and the second you're out of your vehicle pretend you're on youtube to be watched by the faculty later. Smile and and be literally as friendly as possible without appearing fake. Every interaction is fair game for scrutiny- from the "Good Morning" to the janitor to the conversations with "random" students on campus or your peers... it is all being watched. I know some programs plant people (like cleaning staff, and "random" students) in your path to see how you react around them. I know of other schools who have hidden cameras set up to watch applicants when they are mingling on campus. From the moment you get on campus till the moment you are at home, assume you are being watched and judged. Any "down time" should be spent talking and networking. Get to know your competition, they may soon be your classmates; plus it shows that you are comfortable within a group setting. Also usually helps ease your nerves to be social within a group experiencing the same anxiety you are. During the Interview Have fun with it. You have worked hard to get where you are and this is your chance to shine! Any interview blog you read (and I'm sure you have read most of them to this point) will tell you that body language is BIG... If you are having fun and are relaxed, your body language will show it. Confident but Humble is the name of the game. Own your past mistakes with dignity and be ready to give reasons why they should look past them and see you in a better light Enter the room and greet everyone individually. Firm handshake, eye contact, and a smile. If you know everyone's name that is a big win and can work in your advantage... but if you don't know EVERYONE by name or think you may call someone the wrong name, don't attempt. Make sure to have a couple copies of your resume readily available with you. Most schools wont need or even request it, but it shows you are prepared if you can offer it or produce it on demand. DON'T GET FLUSTERED!!! Some interviewers will ask you questions to try to get under your skin or try to throw you off your game to see how you will react. It is okay to take a moment and think and breathe... they are looking to see you under pressure. Focus on what they are asking and move forward. I once had an interviewer straight up say " I don't think you belong in this program, nothing about you impresses me" as the first thing when I got in the room... She was looking to see how I responded. Don't let anyone get under your skin and maintain your composure... you can breakdown and analyze once the interview is over and you're at home. When You Leave the Interview Make a mental note about your overall impression of the program, staff, and school... if you didn't get a positive vibe, that will come in to play if you get in to multiple programs. You need to go where feels like "home" because for the next 2- 2.5 years, it will be. Realistically speaking, most people don't get into the first school they interview at because they are walking into it not knowing what to expect and are visibly anxious. Prepare for that ahead of time by doing practice interviews and by getting comfortable talking to strangers and you will be ahead of the curve. Everyone says to send "thank you" e-mails... I disagree with their logic... If there are 200 people who interview at a program, every faculty member who interviews will have 200+ emails all saying the same thing "Thank you for taking the time ...............". I personally would get tired of even opening all those emails, so I didn't send them for the most part. The few that I did send I never got a response back from, which just reaffirmed my theory. Better practice would be (if you have time) to stop by their office at some point either later that day or in the following couple days and thank them in person. That opens the door for a more casual conversation and is more genuine, plus in my experience it went over better in general. Last Words of Advice: If you get in to a school early but it isn't your #1... please dear god put the seat deposit down anyway. That means you can breathe a little easier and are for sure going SOMEWHERE for the following year. Don't hold out for your #1 because you are optimistic and not wanting to possibly eat the money. Again... investment in your future. If you are rejected from a program before the interview, it is okay to ask why and try to get them to reconsider their reason if it is bogus. That shows balls, and also commitment to their program. One of the schools I was accepted to initially rejected me saying they wanted all of the anatomy classes from the same university ( I had 1 formal course from Nova along with a ton of other anatomy-based courses, plus 1 formal course from medic school, and another formal course from a community college from the year after I moved). I popped an e-mail back explaining my situation, the program director sided with me and I was immediately granted an interview. If you get rejected after the interview, some schools will offer advice (if asked) on how to improve for the following year... take them up on that offer!!! Programs LOVE repeat applicants, ESPECIALLY if they see significant improvement from the previous application. Lastly, if you get totally rejected and have to reapply, welcome to the club. The majority of successful applicants have that sobering experience and are accepted the next time around. Don't get discouraged, become inspired. Hopefully at least some of you found this list helpful, I know I could've used some of that when I was applying and stressing out. Don't hesitate to reach out to me if you have any questions! Good Luck and Go Gators!! :) Logan
  12. 18 points
    To all prePA applicants, I am a recent graduate from this program and just passed my boards! I am writing in here because I remember stalking and refreshing this website everyday/hour. By now, some of you have been accepted and congratulations! Others are still waiting and some may be denied. Whatever the case may be, I encourage you to continue to pursue your dreams no matter how hard it is to get it! Back in 2015, I posted in one of the forum threads about to give up on being a PA but people in here encouraged me to keep going trying. The only reason why I was going to give up was because I applied to PA school 7 times already. Yes. SEVEN times before I got in. I graduated with an undergrad GPA of 2.45. Yes. 2.45! But since then I've worked my butt off to achieve my dreams. So whatever your results may be, please know you are going into a great profession and persistence will pay off!! Also be patient with the school/faculty as interview process is a lot of work for them. I was the last person of my cohort to be accepted. I was accepted off the waitlist as the last person and was not accepted till the FIRST DAY OF ORIENTATION (meaning school technically already started). I walked into that classroom saying "hi everyone! I was just accepted 3 hours ago!". So my message here to you all is to keep trying and that rejections don't mean the end of the world! Good luck and congrats to those that have been accepted!
  13. 18 points
    A lot of it is "the grass is always greener" syndrome. My advice: take the opinions on this board with a grain a salt. It's a very small sample size of the profession as a whole. I've been reading these boards for about 3-4 years now, and many people just come on here to complain. Sorry ya'll, but it's true. You can even search back on this forum to a decade ago and see some of the same arguments about how we should have all been screwed by now, but somehow we are still here... You have to keep in mind that many of the older PAs entered the job market as a new PA in a different era, and you can't necessarily blame them for bemoaning the current market. It's more competitive than you think. The rules have changed, so you need to know what those rules are before getting into it. However, every person who graduates from my program has a job within 6 months of graduating, and I know this isn't unique to my program. They actively help new grads network and finds jobs because they know that's a crucial aspect of their recruitment of new students. I'm never going to medical school. There's more to my life than work. If I get sick of being a PA later in life I will drop down to doing part-time or per diem work and find something else to do with my time. Want options later in life? Don't drown yourself in debt and buy things you can't afford.
  14. 18 points
    We will end up being Physician's associate. No one will know we practice medicine. The patient will be like "so you are the physician's associate, where is the physician?" Back to square one. I support Medical Practitioner because: Similar naming style as Medical Doctor. “Medical Doctors and Medical Practitioners working as a team”. It will be easier for patients to understand that relationship. We’re not just here to take blood pressure, height, and weight. We are here to make Medical decisions. It will work internationally like MD because it is easier to translate to different languages when compared with Physician Associate/Assistant. We’re always someone’s Assistant or Associate in any other languages. It will differentiate us from Nurse Practitioners. They practice Advanced Nursing and we practice Medicine. Patient understands what we do just by our name. (This is a very powerful reason. The patient will know we practice medicine because it is in our name) Administrative people will finally understand that we are not someone’s assistant or associate. We practice medicine too and should belong to the boardroom table and day to day decision making. There is no physician or doctor in this name, so by definition, we shouldn't be confused with a physician or a doctor. I will no longer introduce myself with an acronym. I will tell the patient I am a Medical practitioner because it is self-explanatory. When was the last time you heard a Medical doctor introduced themselves as an "MD" to a patient?
  15. 18 points
    I am dogging this issue to the point of getting a bad rep with admin. I'm not letting this go. The positions weren't advertised within the system as required and qualified candidates were ignored. I also pointed out that it suggests the organization thinks we are all the same which simply isn't true. I may get written up or fired but I am dogging this until I get some answers.
  16. 18 points
    Honestly there is so much unnecessary negativity in one post. This profession is no different than any other profession in terms of finding and keeping jobs. There are going to be multiple people competing for one job, no matter what profession you are in. You are going to have to search, apply, make yourself stand out during the interview, and make sacrifices, just like lawyers, accountants, teachers, etc. If you do not perform up to the standards, or if another company buys out the hospital, being laid off is a possibility, just like other major corporations. That's how the world works. Let's not isolate the PA profession in saying that it is the only profession that you should "be prepared to be let go" or many people are competing for one job. As with any other career, just because you have a degree does not make you qualified for the job. You need to prove yourself. The absolute negativity in these posts I am reading is truly unbelievable. Healthcare is a booming field, especially these days, so no one will be unemployed for long stretches of time, I don't care what you say. You people focus on "how many PAs and NPs are being produced each year," but do not look at "how many people are retiring per year." Our society is getting older and older, which is going to mean healthcare is soon going to accelerate at a pace faster than what it currently is. There is a reason why 19 of the top 25 jobs in America are in healthcare. There is a reason why NP and PA are 2nd and 3rd, respectively. There is a reason why PA was in the top 5 professions for the past 4 years. These are from multiple articles, not just one source. For those of you having difficulty jobs, location is the key factor. There are places where there are 10 PA and NP programs within a 50 mile radius, pumping out hundreds of PAs and NPs per year. Simple solution, look elsewhere. I can tell you that I am out here in the northeast and there is no shortage of jobs. Lateral movement is common here, people are switching for derm to EM to psych to surgery with no problem. Residency is a plus, but is not absolutely necessary. I work in CT surg and we constantly look for new grads to train. Sorry for the ramble, but I needed to speak up and quiet this negativity. There may be certain locations or instances where what some of you say is true, but you can't blame this on the profession as a whole. Certain locations or specialities may be hard to find jobs, but this isn't true of the PA profession as a whole.
  17. 17 points
    Good luck everyone! I bet this will be the week and our wait will be over. No matter what happens, everyone who was awarded an interview has qualifications and skills that would be great attributes as a P.A., I wish there were as many spots as there are great candidates!
  18. 17 points
    Here's my insight: The time to question if you should have joined the Army is not when you're in a landing craft and heading towards the Normandy beaches! Finish this one term! Honor your dream that much. Commit to doing the best you can for that long, whatever your best turns out to be. Go to your school's learning center and see what they have to say about your learning style. I personally got punched in the mouth by my first two tests in gross anatomy. And I was 58 years old with two challenging masters degrees already under my belt. I decided that I just wanted to stay and get a chance to see what would happen next. I followed the motto of "improvise, adapt, and overcome." I tried different learning techniques in almost every class and settled on what worked best for me. When the term was over, nothing felt better then pegging my dissection clothes (belt and shoes included) into the dumpster behind my apartment! Maybe you weren't meant to be a PA -- who knows? -- but now is not the time to dwell on that. I'm all for cutting ones losses when necessary but, even if you ultimately decide change your career direction, don't do it now or you'll always think of yourself as someone who flinched when the going got rough. You have been through a lot to get this far and now you need to prove to yourself that you can do anything for a term. Stop dwelling on job ads, the people back home, and ruminations about your desire to study. Tough it out for ONE FULL term and THEN you can see what you want to do. Good luck!
  19. 17 points
    I'm impressed you have a wife of almost 50 years. No mean feat these days. ?
  20. 17 points
    So I went to the open house last night and got a lot of info on the program, some of it surprising. I thought I would summarize things here in case it was helpful to other applicants this cycle. The number one priority at Pacific is GPA. Although their cut off is a 3.0, it was suggested not to apply without at least a 3.4. Of 2200 applications, only about 700 meet their soft GPA requirements and the rest they screen out. Both BCP GPA and last 45 semester credits are weighted equally, and more or less these two number should average to a 3.6 or above to be considered a competitive applicant. They will only read two LORs. It was stressed that they want to see letters from clinicians or supervisors in the medical field. If you have five letters, the two strongest medical letters will be selected and read as part of the application. Even if you have a strong academic letter and two weaker medical letters, they will toss the academic letter. Because they prefer high GPA applicants who are already obviously academically strong, at this point they just want to hear how those in the medical field view your abilities. Once your application is verified and sent over to Pacific, they will not look at updates. After verification your app is printed and it is not revisited. Any updates over the application cycle will not be viewed. Pacific doesn't use rolling admissions. They start offering interviews in September, about two weeks after the deadline. There is supposedly no benefit to early submission and all applicants verified by September 1st are considered for interviews. Interviews are offered on Saturdays in October, November and December. There will be four interview days this year. On each date about a quarter of the class is admitted. You will receive an acceptance email in about 3 - 5 days, usually the Tuesday or Wednesday following your interview day, if you were accepted and likely a phone call as well. Deposit is $1,000 and you have two weeks to accept or decline the offer. Those are the main things that stood out to me! If anyone has specific questions I would be happy to try to answer them. Good luck to everyone this cycle!
  21. 17 points
    Yes. You have one foot in the grave at 27. Focus on the time you have left with your family. Good luck.
  22. 17 points
    Many years ago when my wife and I were dating I got an email from a young man who was a medic under me when I was an Army PA. He thanked me for what I had taught him and what I did for him. I was stunned because when I look at those years mostly what I see is what I did wrong and could have done better. It touched me...humbled me..honestly made me shake my head. I shared the note with my future wife who said “you have cast a long shadow.” While I wasn’t sure (and still aren’t) that I deserved that approbation the expression stuck with me. My wife is so much smarter than me… Lately I have been reflecting on that expression and our profession. I am a regular on a couple of PA boards and every day I am amazed at the talent and energy and caring and compassion and intelligence of my colleagues most of whom I have never met. It can get lost in the doom and gloom if you don’t look for it. Then I think of the PAs I have known (and I won’t name them because they would only feel uncomfortable and shake THEIR heads). My military colleagues..well I don’t even need to explain that. Providing care for our military members and their families under some very difficult conditions. Two of my oldest friends who have each given years and years of time to advancing the profession and who are, literally, 2 of the smartest people I have known in my life. My friend who spent 20 years growing and improving a PA program that, no doubt, touched hundreds if not thousands of lives. One of my newer acquaintances who has always been way ahead of the times in his predictions and beliefs about the profession and has now begun to see things he predicted (and worked hard to facilitate) for 10 years come to fruition. Many friends who gave their time, sometimes a lot of time, to their state, specialty, or national organizations for no reason other than they wanted to do something to advance the profession. The friends who work in under-served areas taking care of folks nobody else wants to care for, in places few will go, usually earning much less than they could somewhere else. I can’t even count the number of colleagues I know who volunteered to teach PA students in their clinical rotations for no compensation. It really just goes on and on. These days it is pretty easy to get bogged down in all the things going “wrong” with our profession. I think if we each take a little time to regroup and reconsider we can find a lot of things right with our profession. If you aren’t sure...if you aren’t sure where to look...just look for the long shadows. They are all around.
  23. 16 points
    This is copied from paadmissions "Ask a PA Admissions Director." I found it hiding in the bowels of that forum (page 81), and I figured placing it here would make it very handy for those perusing personal statements and seeking advice. Posted 20 May 2014 - 02:46 PM Hi guys! I've put together some hints for writing a good personal statement below. These hints were gathered from several medical school websites and from our own experience with our program. Hope this helps! The personal statement is required as a part of any application to PA school. Many applicants make writing a personal statement a daunting task, but it does not have to be. Below are helpful hints and topics to avoid that can help you write a good personal statement. Topic: Why you want to be a PA? Personal Statement Helpful Hints: · Engage the reader and create interest. · Get to the point. There is a character limit for personal statements. One page is usually all it takes to make your point. · Avoid using flowery language and/or big words throughout your statement. · Make sure the statement is structured in a logical order and flows nicely so it is easy to read. · Do not restate your resume. · Incorporate how your healthcare experience and non-healthcare experience (academics, volunteer, and leadership positions) prepared you for PA school. · Be insightful and analytical about your understanding of the role of the PA. Use your clinical experiences to draw this conclusion. · Call out the elephant in the room. If you had a “hiccup” in your academic career, you should BRIEFLY address it (i.e. death in the family, immaturity factor, poor study habits), state what you did to overcome it, and what you have done to sustain an upward trend in your academic performance. · If you have a strong desire to enter a certain field of medicine, explain why. For example, if you want to go into primary care, what have you done to prepare yourself for this field (i.e. clinical experience opportunities, skill sets, are you from a disadvantaged background, etc.), and the challenges PAs face, if any in the particular field. · Have more than one person review your statement. An advisor, career services representative, or a writing center are good resources to utilize. · Avoid contractions. · Avoid acronyms that the common person would not know (this is especially true for military applicants). Qualities to Portray · Maturity · Reflectiveness · Honesty and integrity · Clarity of thought · Passion · Individuality · Positivity · Logic · Distinctiveness · Commitment · Ability to relate to diverse people · Insight into the chosen health profession · Compassion and empathy · Genuineness and sincerity · Leadership · Insightfulness · A realistic perspective · Lessons learned · Self-awareness Themes to Avoid · Clichés: Avoid starting a statement with a famous quote or with cliché’ filler statements like: “I want to be a PA because I like science and I want to help people...” “Ever since I was five I played with my mom/dad’s doctor’s kit..” “I loved to play the game Operation as a child and that sparked my desire to be a PA...” “As I watched my beloved family member pass away, I knew then I wanted to be a PA...” · Restating your resume’: We have already read the majority of your application up to this point, so do not retell your life story again. · Story Time: Limit your personal stories about a patient or incident in the clinic to ONE no more than TWO. The statement should focus more the topics mentioned above. · The “epiphany into medicine”: Your pursuit of the PA profession should be based on your adult experiences up until this point, NOT an instantaneous realization. · Manifest Destiny: You have not always known you want to be a PA and the fact that someone tells you “you’ll make a great PA one day” does not justify why you should be a PA. · Grandiosity: Claiming that you plan to eliminate all the healthcare problems in an area is not realistic and shows a grave lack of understanding of the profession. · The “humble brag”: Of course you’re special, but claiming “you probably do not see many applicants like me” is not only arrogant, but is likely untrue. We’ve seen it all! · Remember your audience: Remember people do have other biases and views that may not agree with yours so avoid controversial topics and statements that could offend someone. Also, remember the admissions committee can be made up of all types of members of the healthcare team. Avoid statements like “I want to be a PA because PAs spend more time with their patients in comparison to physicians.” These types of situations are not always true and you do not want to stereotype an entire profession when you’ve only been around .00000001% of them. · “I am a victim”: Victims are never attractive applicants and any difficulties along the way should be dispassionately addressed. These explanations should be brief and also address what you have done to overcome the situation and what you learned from it. · Excuses: Never, ever blame anyone else for difficulties in your life or academic career. Topsy's 2 cents: Show, don't tell. Don't tell me you're great at multitasking. Show me! Describe it instead: "Despite having to care for my ailing mother at home, work the graveyard shift at the hospital, and help victims of abuse at the women's shelter, I still managed to keep my by grades by merely studying instead of sleeping." What makes the PA profession personally meaningful to you. Do not reiterate catch phrases like autonomy, flexibility, and all those other words that you can find on countless websites/blogs. Do mention personal things you've seen! Like the time you shadowed a PA talking to a family who was strapped for cash, and the PA was sensitive and attentive enough to notice the dilemma and was kind enough to provide their family with ample samples. Again, show, don't tell. Overall, a great personal state can be achieved by getting the reader think - yes. I want to meet the person who wrote this.
  24. 16 points
    Big News for OTP in North Dakota Posted about 12 hours ago by Jay Metzger NDAPA Members, The ND Academy of PAs Board of Directors is thrilled to pass on some important news from our meeting with ND Board of Medicine (NDBOM) last Friday. The NDAPA has been working with the NDBOM on achieving Optimal Team Practice (OTP) for PAs and at their meeting on Friday, the NDBOM unanimously approved to support PAs in the upcoming legislative session in our efforts! Specifically, the NDAPA is pursuing the following: Supervisory agreements currently mandatory for licensure in North Dakota will no longer be required. This means that PA’s will be responsible for the care they provide and the need to have a supervising physician will no longer be necessary. This is a HUGE change for our practices and profession. It better aligns us in practice for those employers that don’t even consider PAs due to supervisory issues. The NDAPA and PAs in North Dakota will still do what they have always done and practice in the team model. We are not looking to be “independent providers”, rather we want to be able to practice where we are needed. One concession that was a deal-breaker for the NDBOM was that PAs would need to practice at clinics, hospitals and physician offices that are established or meet certain criteria. The NDBOM concern was that PAs would pursue privately owned clinics for things such as cosmetic dermatology, medi-spas, etc. A PA may still be able to operate a clinic or practice of their own but would need approval from the NDBOM to do so. This concession was felt to be a reasonable request as we are trying to get PAs in areas that need providers in primary care. If we are able to get this legislation passed through the legislature, North Dakota will be the first in the nation where a PA can practice medicine without a supervisory or collaborative agreement with a physician. So what it is next? We are waiting to hear back from the ND Medical Association on whether they will also support us in our efforts. Their board meets at the beginning of December. Their support would be a phenomenal step towards our end goals. We are finalizing the proposed legislation and are seeking sponsors in the ND Legislature. We have a few names that will likely be willing, but if you know of any legislators that would be willing to do so, please let us know. In the next week or two, we will be sending out a form for signatures of support from physicians in ND. This form will be sent to all PAs in ND. This is where we need your help: find physicians that are in support of these changes and have them commit to their support by signing the form. Once we have a submitted bill, we will need all PAs to contact their local legislators and let them who we are and what this legislation would mean for the people of their districts and PAs in ND. We will keep you informed of our progress and please let us know if you have any questions or ideas (jay.metzger@med.und.edu or cell #701-361-4074) . Have a great week and Happy Thanksgiving! Jay R. Metzger, PA-C President, NDAPA
  25. 16 points
    New Federal Report Supports AAPA Priorities to Modernize PA Practice Urges States to Consider PA-Practice Changes December 6, 2018 This week, the Trump Administration released a new report promoting consumer choice and competition across the healthcare marketplace. The report recommends policy changes related to PA practice that are patient centric and consistent with AAPA’s legislative priorities. The report, Reforming America’s Healthcare System through Choice and Competition, recommends that states “consider changes to their scope-of-practice statutes to allow all healthcare providers to practice to the top of their license, utilizing their full skill set.” Specifically, the report urges states to give consideration to “eliminating requirements for rigid collaborative practice and supervision agreements” between physicians and PAs. The report also recommends that the federal and state governments consider allowing PAs and similar providers “to be paid directly for their services.” Before the release of the report, Jonathan Sobel, DMSc, MBA, PA-C, DFAAPA, FAPACVS, president and chair of the AAPA Board of Directors, met with the Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to discuss policy issues that are essential for PAs. Additionally, AAPA met with senior administration officials and had an opportunity to provide comments. “We believe the recommendations related to PAs in this new report are an important step in the right direction,” said Sobel. “They should surely resonate with stakeholders as we continue to move the profession forward by advocating for PA-practice modernization, including Optimal Team Practice, at both the state and federal levels.” The effort to compile the report was led by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, the U.S. Department of Labor, and the U.S. Department Treasury, and follows an October 2017 executive order by the President. More Resources Optimal Team Practice Frequently Asked Questions About Optimal Team Practice AAPA Guidelines for State Regulations
  26. 16 points
    I attended! Here are some points I got. SMU will send interview invites at the end of the month 44 accepted in Oakland, 25 accepted in Fresno 3 interview days in Oakland for both sites No housing for either campus as of now $10-20K for living expenses in the Fresno program... it's more expensive in Oakland Interview 48 candidates on each day so 144 total candidates...so 69/144 people accepted into one of 2 campuses 1 on 1 with 2 diff faculty, group interview with 8 candidates and 3 PA students, and a meeting with chair + 3 candidates. Interview on Saturday (2nd/3rd weekend of January and 2nd/3rd weekend February) Roughly 1600 applications this year Let me know if you got any other questions!
  27. 16 points
    I'VE BEEN ACCEPTED INTO THE BARRY ST. PETE CAMPUS PA PROGRAM!!!!! You guys, this is my 3rd time applying to PA school. I have waited sooooo long for this day and worked sooooo hard. I literally started crying. Congrats to everyone else that has been accepted and for those who haven't, keep your head up and if this is what you really want, do NOT give up!!!
  28. 15 points
    I'm hoping my story will resonate with some of you who are dealing with the possibility of reapplying next year. First of all, don't throw in the towel yet. There are most likely more invites to go out and some of those on the waitlist often get an opportunity to join the class. It ain't over! Secondly, if it ends up that you are not accepted into the cohort this year and you are truly passionate about becoming a PA, then there's no choice but to apply again next year. You will be the more wiser for going through this process already and you have a year to gain more experience, more maturity, more knowledge...it's not a loss. I wanted to become a PA to be in a profession where I am challenged every day, I am learning something every day, and I am able to share with others what I have learned. However, when I decided a PA career would hit all these marks, I was already almost 40 years old. I could have easily told myself how ridiculous it would be for me to go back to school part time for six years to get my BS degree while retaking A&P I and II because mine had expired AND take microbiology and organic chemistry. I could have easily said I am too old and this would be too hard. But I didn't. Because I know for certain that all I have right this moment is time. And if I spent one more year thinking about going back to school instead of doing it, now I am a year older. So I did it. I am 45 years old and will graduate from PA school at 47 years old starting my second career. I can honestly tell you whenever life has thrown a monkey wrench in MY plans for life, I have always looked back and realized it was to make me a better person or push me in a new direction. Once that happens to you often enough, you start learning to have faith in the path that life throws you in. Future colleagues, this is OUR path. It doesn't matter if it's this year or next year or the next. If you want it, it will happen. We are here to support each other no matter how long it takes to get us where we need to be. If you don't get in this year, meet with the school and have someone with experience take an objective look at your application. There is always room for improvement. Have faith that your time will come if you put in the work needed to get there. And if I can do anything to help you, I'm ready and willing. Best wishes, Vicky
  29. 15 points
    Since the "residency journals" already posted on this forum were extremely instrumental in my decision to apply for a residency program, I decided to pay it forward and do the same. As with previous posters, I can't promise any kind of consistency during the busy schedule, but I will try to check in every once in a while and share what I've been up to and what I've learned. I'm also going to follow the cues of those who have gone before me by choosing not to identify which residency program I am attending. One of the things I was most interested in before I applied and during the application process was the experience level of current and previous residents. I myself knew I wanted to be a PA in college, majored in biology, and took a year off to work as an aide in a nursing home, which comprises the entirety of my past medical experience. Many of the people I've talked to in my program had more experience (several CC or EMED nurses or CNAs, some EMTs and paramedics; one was previously a transplant director), but all assured me that they felt everyone started out at about the same level, with their own strengths and weaknesses. They encouraged me to apply despite my lack of experience because the program would likely appreciate having a blank slate to work with (no "bad habits" learned at old jobs). It was addressed directly at my interview, and I got the impression the program directors felt exactly that way, and also that they valued soft skills (adaptability, attitude, and other unteachables) over hard skills. In fact, I decided to do a residency well after I'd already done my elective in school (outpatient GI) and so I never actually had a critical care rotation, just passing time spent in different units as part of IM and surgery rotations. Grades-wise, I believe my GPA was at or *slightly* above average at my school, but I knew I had very strong letters of reference from clinical preceptors. Other things I wondered about before starting... Pay ($60,000). Hours (60+/week). Structure (rotating monthly through ICUs, with one month airway, one month divided between nephro and ID, and one month of elective). Why did I choose to do a residency? I had thought about residencies from the moment I learned about them, and shortly in my rotations, I felt very strongly that I wasn't going to be done with formal, structured learning when I graduated PA school. Taking the pay cut was worth it for me in order to get a great start in a really challenging field. If there's some other question anyone has (if anyone reads this, lol), please feel free to comment below, and I'll try to respond in a semi-timely manner. I'm starting off with bootcamp and then about a month in the OR learning procedures (lines, intubation, etc). I got my work phone and a big binder of info in the mail the other day, but I don't think it's going to feel real until I'm standing back in the hospital on day 1.
  30. 15 points
    HI all, I am the one who is behind the GFU doctorate and there is good reason for correcting this issue. First, you need to understand that academic awards are based on regional accreditation. Here is what the Northwest Commission on Colleges and Universities states: Degree Levels Associate A lower division undergraduate degree normally representing two years (approximately 60 semester credits or 90 quarter units) of lower‐division collegiate study, or its equivalent in depth and quality of learning experience. Baccalaureate An undergraduate degree normally representing four years (approximately 120 semester credits or 180 quarter credits) of upper‐ and lower‐division collegiate study, or its equivalent in depth and quality of learning experience. Masters A graduate degree representing approximately 30 semester credits or 45 quarter credits of post‐baccalaureate study, or its equivalent in depth and quality. Doctorate A terminal degree representing three or more years [90 SH] of graduate study that prepares the recipient to conduct original research, engage in scholarship, create artistic expressions of human emotions, or apply knowledge to practice. -- The type of degree awarded has nothing to do with the practice as a PA. That is governed by the state medical board and legislation. It does have everything to do with standards of regional accreditation. It is not degree creep, it doesn't change what needs to be done. It is simply applying the standards of regional accreditation and academic aptitude. oh, and the degree is a doctor of medical science. Not PA Medicine. And the tuition cost is similar to all regional costs (extrapolated out to 2021); the program has no fees. And finally, I was a "certified PA." Please don't get caught up in the falsehood of degree creep or thinking the university makes more doing this. Neither are true. The cost is the same. In fact, it is easier for me to build a Master's degree. But, I am an academic and I intend to pursue a program that meets regional accreditation standards as listed above. Hope this helps. Greg
  31. 15 points
    Hello Everyone! I am a first year student. And we started hearing around the the first part of December for interviews. However due to the fire we were closed for 5 days plus we had thanksgiving, so who knows if that will delay things. So hopefully not too much longer for everyone to receive calls. Good luck everyone!
  32. 15 points
    What the administration doesn't realize is that, unlike the service desk at Walmart, our job many times conflicts with what the patient wants. We want to practice medicine, backed up by science, research and facts. They want stars posted by idiots who think a sore throat is cured by a zpack, will post bad reviews if they don't get what they want, and will sue when they get c diff. These are people who can't use a "temperature taking thing", want prescriptions for ibuprofen, and don't give their kids medicine for their 103F fever because they think the clinic will do it. I have reached my breaking point, both with my "guests" and the administration who makes me grovel for their happiness. To prospective applicants: if you think you are getting into this to make a difference, wait until your first Yelp review. On the shelf behind me is a bottle whisky, I don't know how old but I assume it's good because there's no e. It was given to me by a guy I found a testicular cancer in, he had surgery in two days. That's the only star I need, knowing that a life was made better because I was there. So suck it, administration.
  33. 15 points
    Shout out to all my low GPA people out there, DO NOT GIVE UP! I have a pretty bad GPA for applying to PA school, but I had around a 3.5 for my last 60 credit hours and I worked up a healthy amount of HCE to bolster my application. It took me a long time but I made it and you can too! Undergrad Ed School: University of Maryland College Park (B.S. in Biology) Cumulative Undergrad. GPA: 3.0 Science Undergrad. GPA: 3.0 Age at application time : 24 1st GRE: 155 Verbal, 154 Quant, 3.5 AW) Direct Patient Care : Medical Scribe and Chief Medical Scribe (1500 hours) Medical Assistant in Spine Surgery (4000 hours) Shadowing Experience: All of my shadowing is from following PA's as a scribe ~1000 hours Schools Applied: 15 schools, yes, FIFTEEN Application Submitted Date: June 16, 2017 Interview Invites: Lincoln Memorial University, my only interview! Denied: Literally 14 schools Waitlisted: 0 Accepted: Lincoln Memorial University Attending: Lincoln Memorial University DeBusk College of Osteopathic Medicine Class of 2020!
  34. 15 points
    Confidence comes from one of 2 places. Hubris or experience. The first gets people killed. The second comes only with time in the trenches. Experience and learning from it never ends and anyone who tells you they haven't had a "miss" in their career is kidding themselves. I have been at this about 30 years and have fairly broad experience. The other day mom brought a baby in because "he just isn't right" and "he seems sleepy" and "the babysitter says he took a 3 hour nap and he never does that." I went over this kid with a fine tooth comb...twice. He was sleepy but aroused and fussed at me when I pestered him.Vitals were perfect. Exam was benign. I told mom to watch him for a couple of hours and see what happened. If he popped back great. If he didn't or anything worsened in any way go to the ER. The next morning I checked and they had gone to the ER. Benzo overdose. The babysitter drugged the kid so she wouldn't have to watch him. Never crossed my mind. It was a hard miss and I'm smarter for it and the kid is going to be fine. It shook me but it didn't break me. Hang in there a while longer and you may find confidence will come to you with more time and experience.
  35. 14 points
    Relax, review your anatomy and physiology now, and have fun before school starts. When school starts, keep up in class, be collaborative and not competitive, bond with at least some of your classmates, treat school like a job, experiment with what study techniques work best for you (may not be the same in every class), set aside time for yourself every day, briefly celebrate after tests, exercise (even if only to take a walk), eat healthy (most of the time), have a good support structure for the tough times, and remember that many thousands of people have successfully navigated these waters. You can, too. And, surprisingly, you'll probably look back at it (most of it anyway) with fondness. Best wishes, newbie!
  36. 14 points
    I couldn't hear much of the webinar however, a lot of the items discussed were about the Fresno campus expansion. They are still reviewing applications Interview invites to go out December for Jan/Feb interviews Acceptance to go out March 2019 44 students to Oakland and 25 to Fresno Everyone will be getting a survey in November (couldn't hear why) Start date for Fall '19 is 9/9/19 (both locations) There were other questions about curriculum and stuff, but I couldn't hear a lot of it.
  37. 14 points
    Hey everyone, just wanted to share my story with applying to PA school to hopefully help/inspire some others out there! This is my third cycle applying to PA school. My first cycle, I applied to 14 schools, got 4 interviews and from those 2 waitlist offers and 2 nos. My second cycle, I applied to 11 schools, went on 5 interviews (declined one), and again had 3 waitlist offers and 2 nos. This cycle, I applied to 19 schools, I've only heard back from 7 so far, have gone on 5 interviews and just received my first acceptance last week!! I've learned a lot from all these interviews and application cycles and am beyond excited to receive my first acceptance! If anyone has any questions for me about my stats/clinical info or whatever message me, I'm an open book! Good luck to everyone out there, I know how difficult this process is and am willing to share my experiences.
  38. 14 points
    Every doc I know tells prospective students to stay clear of med school. Take home message: working sucks, go back in time and be a trust fund baby. Edit: spelling
  39. 14 points
    I work in a relatively large hospital system in a major city in the northeast, where there are several hundred PAs currently working. We are highly utilized across all specialities and generally treated well with competitive salaries, good benefits, significant respect, etc. This morning we received notice by our CEO (who is a former PA) that the salary of all PAs will be going up, effective next pay period. Our hospital uses a pay grade scale, so PAs are now going to be in the same pay grade as the pharmacists and CRNAs. The reasoning for this, as stated in the email, was to compensate for the "progression of the PA profession, OTP influences, and continued expansion of the modern medical approach." Has anyone else had any changes in their hospitals or increases in salary due to OTP? The fact that our CEO is a PA might have had something to do with the push, but it is good to see that hospitals are starting to recognize the progression in our profession. Regardless, I'll enjoy my 17k increase either way...
  40. 14 points
    I posted this in the AAPA forum where I have been following and participating in a lot of conversations about the upcoming AAPA elections, OTP, name change, and others. There are several, mostly much older, PAs who keep carrying on about our valuable relationships with physician groups and how we have to maintain them. I was particularly weary of the subject today and went on a bit of a rant which will probably get deleted. I'm interested in opinions. Thanks. Rant as follows: I'm going to step in the dogma because I have listened to our wise elders (and I'm no spring chicken) wax poetic about maintaining precious relationships with physician groups and disagreeing with them starts a great hue and cry.Physician groups are not our friends politically...period. I have great relationships with many physicians and know many who understand and support OTP. I have yet to hear about a major physician group who has worked on our behalf in our attempts to advance the profession. Quite the opposite seems to be a near daily report from one place and another. Here in Texas for many years (and it may still be) TMAs legislative agenda included stopping the expansion of privileges of any non-physician health care providers....period. Doesn't matter if it is good for patients or good for health care or if it is a PA, NP, PT, podiatrist (sorry...foot and ankle surgeon), or anyone else. This is emblematic of our valuable relationship with physician groups. last legislative session we were asked by 2 anesthesiologists who are in the state legislature to open our practice act to anesthesia assistants in return for some nickle and dime concessions on our privileges....and TAPA agreed! This resulted in the biggest groundswell of negative opinions and push-back from PAs I have ever seen. One of the anesthesiologists/legislators said he was withdrawing support for our, frankly inconsequential, modifications to our practice act stating "I thought we had you under control but it seems we don't." THAT ladies and gentlemen is what we are dealing with everywhere.I don't advocate going rogue or being unnecessarily provocative. I do advocate for "this is what we are going to do and we don't care if you like it or it makes you happy" perhaps stated in a warm gentle voice with a smile on our face. It is past time we stood up and acted like a grown up profession. We can be polite and diplomatic and prosecute our agenda DESPITE physician groups if necessary. Will it be easy? Certainly not. Will it be any harder than standing around with our hat in our hands waiting to be blessed with permission? Nope....and now the gentle politicians and diplomats may begin explaining why I am wrong....:-)
  41. 14 points
    I must admit over the last three years I combed through these forums for hours. If you read this post you may say it's easy for you to say don't give up because you got into a school. It was my second time applying. First year applying 22 schools zero interviews, second year nine schools and two interview offers. I was one of the discouraged people posting what more could I do to get into a school. For those wondering my stats, 3.2 CGPA, 3.3 SGPA, 19,000 hours of healthcare experience, 1000+ hours volunteering, 500+ hours shadowing, 1000+ hours teaching: EMT's, Paramedics, Medical Students and rural providers in emergency medicine. Sounds great but I didn't get in my first year. I was beyond devastated! Four years ago I sold everything I owned that wouldn't fit into my 14 year old unreliable truck, cashed in all my pensions, lost a relationship I was in, took a 8$ pay cut, picked up a second job and would often sleep in my truck in-between short turnarounds. Realize that it is possible, if this is your passion do not give up, you may have to sacrifice everything and completely end up out of your comfort zone to get to where you want to be. I didn't have a backup plan. I told myself I would apply for six cycles then reevaluate my life. I've known many people who applied 3+ cycles to get in, I've met people who went to PA school at 47. If this is what you want there maybe setbacks but please do not give up! Kettle
  42. 14 points
    Its ridiculous. Soon everyone will be a doctor. Meet your Doctor of Custodial Engineering:
  43. 14 points
    Good luck to everyone applying this round! I went through my emails and compiled my general timeline from last year's cycle, as I remember my unhealthy obsession of refreshing my inbox. Feel free to PM any questions! CASPA Received, Supplemental Link: 07/22/2016 Duke PA Application is complete: 07/26/2016 PA Application is being reviewed: 09/02/2016 Invitation to Interview: 09/13/2016 Predetermined Interview date: 10/24/2016 Offer of Admission: 10/31/2016 Deposit ($1125) and response due: 11/10/2016 Email correspondences begin: March 2017
  44. 14 points
    Yes, it is worth it. I have worked in family practice for thirty years. I have some families for which I have taken care of four generations. I have experienced the joy of telling a young couple that their infertility efforts have paid-off and they are expecting a baby. I have ended fears by telling a man he does not have cancer. I have extended the lives of many people by treating their hypertension, diabetes, and dyslipidemia. I have also been a friend and support to patients with metastatic disease. I have been a comfort to an old woman with end-stage renal disease. I have been a shoulder to cry on. I have even cried with families. I served my country in the military. I have been blessed in many ways with my calling to heal. We all need to wake up every day and remember that we are here to serve, not to be served. Plumbers don't get those same rewards.
  45. 13 points
    Firm believer in medical practitioner. We practice medicine. Firefighters fight fire. Police police stuff. Truck drivers drive trucks. Pilots pilot things. We medicine stuff. "Hey there, I'm MediMike, medical practitioner with the pulmonary team" Straight forward. I'm not a physician so shouldn't have that in my name. I'm not an assistant so probably shouldn't have that in there either. And I dread the idea of explaining the word allopathy. Too many syllables.
  46. 13 points
    That doc at every other conference they were paid to lecture at ;)
  47. 13 points
    I want to take the opportunity to apologize to the pre-PA forum participants and the other staff here for NOT restricting our recently-banned troll after I locked the first thread. I have thick enough skin to ignore the barbs directed at me, but I should't have: he turned right around and directed them all at you who tried to help him. If you missed the drama, good. If you didn't, you have my promise that I'll be quicker with the block button when we have a poster with SDN-level snark polluting the boards. This isn't an echo chamber, but nor is it an open invitation for random people to belittle your choices. Do try and keep to the high road, no matter how tempting it is to react. I saw a few folks getting (justifiably) hot and bothered in the now-gone threads, but that's never going to fix anything, so in case of future trolls, please resist as much as you can.
  48. 13 points
    Ok up date, if you actually care lol Existential crisis averted. Basically just focusing on helping patients rather the idiocracy that flows around me on a daily basis (psychiatrist of 20 something years not knowing SSRIs cause hyponatremia; taking a paranoid pt, that believes we are helping her attackers get out of prison, off antipsychotics b/c she requested it; not switching a chronic schizophrenic off typical antipsychotic after developing EPS just slowly lowering dose; wanting to call internist consult for HTN when after reviewing chart pt was never started on outpt antihypertensives, etc, etc). What led me to believe that I couldn't be a PA was that I was by myself in making decisions in a field I was new to and the docs didn't provide much help so I questioned everything... EVERYTHING. I've accepted that I won't know everything. Trust me, I understand that the studying never stops. For now I'm going to stay at this job because hell if I leave these patients are S.O.L. At least I'll learn what not to do
  49. 13 points
    my one piece of advice: get quality hce. don't just skimp and do the bare minimum. your hce is the framework for your future career. Lots of folks say hce doesn't matter and that anecdotes don't matter, but it's hard to argue with the fact that I see all the best jobs going to the folks with highest quality prior hce. you won't see a lot of low quality/intensity prior hce folks staffing rural ERs, ICUs, or working at the cutting edge of our profession. almost without fail tthose jobs go to the former medics, resp therapists, or RNs. the exception being residency grads. advice point #2. if you squeak through with minor hce do yourself a favor and play catch up by doing a residency to make up for the work you didn't do before school.
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