End of Rotation Exams

[tangerinetrip]

We have 3 factors that go into a rotation grade: site evaluation, preceptor evaluation, end of rotation exam (EORE). If we do well on the first two, and

fail the EORE, we are obligated to take a makeup exam; and if we come up short on that one as well, we are required to repeat

the entire rotation.

 

Is it like that in the PA programs that you know of?

 

After finishing a few rotations, there is a big difference (in general) between

what we learn on rotation and what they expect us to know for the EORE; seems harsh to have us make up the entire rotation rather

than to keep taking mulitiple choice exams.

[paporzelt]

yep. my program gave us only two factors: our EOR exam, and the eval. if you failed the EOR exam, you got a chance to retake another (harder) version within the next 2 weeks (while starting your next rotation mind you), but even if you got a perfect score, the highest grade you could get was a C for that rotation. if you failed the retake, you had to retake the entire rotation and exam at the end of the year.

we were given a list of things covered on the EOR for each different rotation, but that list was NEVER all inclusive. and it was never a guarantee it would be encountered on a rotation.

if we failed the evaluation we automatically had to retake the rotation at the end of the year.

And, if you failed more than one rotation, you failed out of the program. Any student who fails out is individually evaluated and the program administrators decide if they will offer that that individual the opportunity to retry the program.

[mtg1111]

Paporzelt. What state was your program in?

[paporzelt]

it was in New York.

[CAAdmission]

Harsh? Harsh is letting students graduate who have no chance of passing the PANCE.

 

If your curriculum is structured well, failing an EORE represents a severe deficiency of knowledge. Harsh of not, it needs to be addressed. This ain't undergrad bio anymore...

[unewillow]

In my PA school you had 3 requirements for each core rotation. The precep eval, a research paper, and the EORE. Fail any part and you fail the rotation. If you fail a rotation you can repeat it in place of an elective rotation (excluding EM and FP, those needed to be repeated at the end of the year). Fail more than one rotation and you failed out of the school.

[tjvick]

I know exactly how you feel, at my PA program we are taking EOR exams that are made by the PAEA. Our instructors usually tell us to go over the topic list from the PAEA website and review as much as you can. Problem is that the topic list is very vague sometimes. For example "abdominal pain" eh, could be anything.

 

our EOR exams are 2 hours totaling 120 questions, which 20 of those are for "research" purposes. My first three rotations of my clinical year we were not doing EOR exams, then starting spring 13' they instituted the exams. I will say that, the first three rotations I didn't study as much now since it is part of our grade (50%) I have put my butt into gear and been studying everyday. I guess in a sense its a good way.

 

Currently I have taken the EOR exam in Surgery, Pediatrics, and I take the Emergency Medicine one this Friday (fingers crossed).

 

And the same is said if we fail an EOR which some students have, they are given another shot, to take (which they usually pass, at least at my program they have) if they dont pass they must repeat the rotation.

 

 

I know there is controversy with these exams, but my #1 goal as a student is to pass the PANCE, and whatever gets me to study, ill do it!

[tjvick]

I know exactly how you feel, at my PA program we are taking EOR exams that are made by the PAEA. Our instructors usually tell us to go over the topic list from the PAEA website and review as much as you can. Problem is that the topic list is very vague sometimes. For example "abdominal pain" eh, could be anything.

 

our EOR exams are 2 hours totaling 120 questions, which 20 of those are for "research" purposes. My first three rotations of my clinical year we were not doing EOR exams, then starting spring 13' they instituted the exams. I will say that, the first three rotations I didn't study as much now since it is part of our grade (50%) I have put my butt into gear and been studying everyday. I guess in a sense its a good way.

 

Currently I have taken the EOR exam in Surgery, Pediatrics, and I take the Emergency Medicine one this Friday (fingers crossed).

 

And the same is said if we fail an EOR which some students have, they are given another shot, to take (which they usually pass, at least at my program they have) if they dont pass they must repeat the rotation.

 

 

I know there is controversy with these exams, but my #1 goal as a student is to pass the PANCE, and whatever gets me to study, ill do it!

[tjvick]

I know exactly how you feel, at my PA program we are taking EOR exams that are made by the PAEA. Our instructors usually tell us to go over the topic list from the PAEA website and review as much as you can. Problem is that the topic list is very vague sometimes. For example "abdominal pain" eh, could be anything.

 

our EOR exams are 2 hours totaling 120 questions, which 20 of those are for "research" purposes. My first three rotations of my clinical year we were not doing EOR exams, then starting spring 13' they instituted the exams. I will say that, the first three rotations I didn't study as much now since it is part of our grade (50%) I have put my butt into gear and been studying everyday. I guess in a sense its a good way.

 

Currently I have taken the EOR exam in Surgery, Pediatrics, and I take the Emergency Medicine one this Friday (fingers crossed).

 

And the same is said if we fail an EOR which some students have, they are given another shot, to take (which they usually pass, at least at my program they have) if they dont pass they must repeat the rotation.

 

 

I know there is controversy with these exams, but my #1 goal as a student is to pass the PANCE, and whatever gets me to study, ill do it!

[sahoward]

I know exactly how you feel, at my PA program we are taking EOR exams that are made by the PAEA. Our instructors usually tell us to go over the topic list from the PAEA website and review as much as you can. Problem is that the topic list is very vague sometimes. For example "abdominal pain" eh, could be anything.

 

our EOR exams are 2 hours totaling 120 questions, which 20 of those are for "research" purposes. My first three rotations of my clinical year we were not doing EOR exams, then starting spring 13' they instituted the exams. I will say that, the first three rotations I didn't study as much now since it is part of our grade (50%) I have put my butt into gear and been studying everyday. I guess in a sense its a good way.

 

Currently I have taken the EOR exam in Surgery, Pediatrics, and I take the Emergency Medicine one this Friday (fingers crossed).

 

And the same is said if we fail an EOR which some students have, they are given another shot, to take (which they usually pass, at least at my program they have) if they dont pass they must repeat the rotation.

 

 

I know there is controversy with these exams, but my #1 goal as a student is to pass the PANCE, and whatever gets me to study, ill do it!

 

tjvick, We're also taking EOR exams from the PAEA, but haven't gotten a lot of feedback as to what scores are acceptable. Do you happen to know what the averages are on these exams or what your school considers passing? Our school is using them for the first time so I don't know what is considered a good grade, I just know I've passed them all up to this point! haha

 

THanks!

[sahoward]

I know exactly how you feel, at my PA program we are taking EOR exams that are made by the PAEA. Our instructors usually tell us to go over the topic list from the PAEA website and review as much as you can. Problem is that the topic list is very vague sometimes. For example "abdominal pain" eh, could be anything.

 

our EOR exams are 2 hours totaling 120 questions, which 20 of those are for "research" purposes. My first three rotations of my clinical year we were not doing EOR exams, then starting spring 13' they instituted the exams. I will say that, the first three rotations I didn't study as much now since it is part of our grade (50%) I have put my butt into gear and been studying everyday. I guess in a sense its a good way.

 

Currently I have taken the EOR exam in Surgery, Pediatrics, and I take the Emergency Medicine one this Friday (fingers crossed).

 

And the same is said if we fail an EOR which some students have, they are given another shot, to take (which they usually pass, at least at my program they have) if they dont pass they must repeat the rotation.

 

 

I know there is controversy with these exams, but my #1 goal as a student is to pass the PANCE, and whatever gets me to study, ill do it!

 

tjvick, We're also taking EOR exams from the PAEA, but haven't gotten a lot of feedback as to what scores are acceptable. Do you happen to know what the averages are on these exams or what your school considers passing? Our school is using them for the first time so I don't know what is considered a good grade, I just know I've passed them all up to this point! haha

 

THanks!

[justPA]

my program was pretty much the same had to write a clinical case report for each rotation, pass the evaluation by the preceptor and pass the EOR exam.

 

during all of clinical year we are given ONE oppertunity to retake either a failed EOR exam or failed clinical case report. If you failed an evaluation its an automatic fail for that rotation and it needs to be repeated. If you already used your ONE makeup and fail another paper or EOR you're cut from the program. Seems tough but you need to be competent when you are out in the real world and working.

[justPA]

my program was pretty much the same had to write a clinical case report for each rotation, pass the evaluation by the preceptor and pass the EOR exam.

 

during all of clinical year we are given ONE oppertunity to retake either a failed EOR exam or failed clinical case report. If you failed an evaluation its an automatic fail for that rotation and it needs to be repeated. If you already used your ONE makeup and fail another paper or EOR you're cut from the program. Seems tough but you need to be competent when you are out in the real world and working.

[Guest]

Do people find that end of rotations exams ask questions about rotation objectives that you did not learn on the rotation? And if so, was figuring out/filling out the objectives from old notes, textbook and other help books sufficient enough to pass those exams? I just can't imagine that a rotation will cover 3 pages of objectives.....

[allisono]

For those taking the EOR PAEA Exams, how are you studying and what is working best for you? My school is implementing these, I take my first one next month... Just don't know what to expect :(

[BARONEUS]

In my PA school you had 3 requirements for each core rotation. The precep eval, a research paper, and the EORE.

 

Research paper.... I just refluxed a little.

[taotaox1]

I just took the EM PAEA EORE. It was obscure and made little sense from the point of view of those of us that took it. The CAQ practice questions i did were easier and more relevant than these were.

[rrasbe1]

I just took the EM PAEA EORE. It was obscure and made little sense from the point of view of those of us that took it. The CAQ practice questions i did were easier and more relevant than these were.

 

Can anyone else provide some insight as to the best way to prepare for the PAEA EOR exams, specifically EM?

[swooshie1]

We don't take EORs in my program.  We get an eval'n from our preceptor who decides whether we pass or fail the rotation. It sounds like most programs require the EORs, and it was mentioned I believe in the PANCE thread that if someone does well on the EORs that they should do well on PANCE.  Does anyone know if there is a way I can take practice EOR exams ?  Should I contact PAEA ?  Thanks for any info !

[WanderlustPA]

Can anyone else provide some insight as to the best way to prepare for the PAEA EOR exams, specifically EM?

 

I'd like to know this, too! I'm on my EM rotation right now and so far I feel like I've learned nothing from the rotation itself, especially when it comes to what I'll likely see on this EOR exam. Starting to freak out a little thinking I should be spending every waking moment of free-time studying!

[taotaox1]

So, a quick update on these after a whole year of taking them.

 

Overall they are pretty fair and I feel well prepared going into the pance. People in my class c/o EM and OB being the hardest. My personal experience matched this. EM in particular has a couple of strange curve balls ( though you have to remember 20 of them are experimental questions). Some of this may have also been that EM was my first and OB was my second test. Each test I took was successively easier due to overlapping material and greater general knowledge.

 

To study, you need to do a semi deep read on each topic. Read the medscape entry on each topic level of reading. CMDT is also a good depth to go. Try to read on the topics you saw in patients that day so that it sticks better. Then review fast test facts the last couple days.

 

You pretty much should be reading in most of your spare time on rotation. EM in particular as the test is tough and you will have more time off to do so.

 

 

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