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the PA program at NSU Jax is an utter waste of time and money!

 

- Faculty & staff do not care about students; they have failed students out of the program permanently who were less than 4-50 question exams away from graduating, keeping their money & sending them on their way. They've also failed students out of classes based on objective grading, making them sit out a year until they may re-take a course. 

 

- program is EXTREMELY disorganized; faculty & staff don't know what's going on; not knowledgeable about policies & procedures. 

 

- preceptors dropping out because of dissatisfaction with the way the students are treated by the program, meaning that by the time you get to your clinical year, there will be a limited # of possibly the worst preceptors left

 

basically, if you were accepted ANYWHERE else, go there! Avoid NSU Jax if possible. Even if you were only accepted here, wait a year & re-apply to ANY OTHER SCHOOL! It's not worth wasting your money just to be dismissed from the program within months of graduation - or anytime within the 27 months of the program.

 

Or, even better, consider nursing. Get your ADN/RN, then do an online RN-ARNP. You can work, making >$40 k/yr & do everything online & never have to retake a certification exam!! Much better option & the ONLY option once you've been dismissed from the PA program as you won't be a competitive candidate for any other PA school. Plus, you don't have to sit in a chair for hours every day listening to people with essentially NO ACTUAL CLINICAL EXPERIENCE read research articles to you - oh yeah, none of the female PA faculty have more than 5 years experience as a PA; the only MD on staff has never practiced medicine in the U.S. & was never board certified. 

 

heed this warning - it seems that some already have as applicants have been dropping left & right, leaving the school with an incoming class that still has yet to be filled, but for those of you even considering it, AVOID THIS PROGRAM AT ALL COST!! your financial & academic future are on the line here. 

 

& if you think you're safe now that the Program Director was sacked, YOU'RE NOT! The regime continues, even in his absence. So, if you want to take your chances, good luck, but don't say we didn't warn you!

 

Also, program accreditation status @ risk due to low PANCE pass rates...just in case you're not aware

 

 

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the PA program at NSU Jax is an utter waste of time and money!

 

- Faculty & staff do not care about students; they have failed students out of the program permanently who were less than 4-50 question exams away from graduating, keeping their money & sending them on their way. They've also failed students out of classes based on objective grading, making them sit out a year until they may re-take a course. 

 

- program is EXTREMELY disorganized; faculty & staff don't know what's going on; not knowledgeable about policies & procedures. 

 

- preceptors dropping out because of dissatisfaction with the way the students are treated by the program, meaning that by the time you get to your clinical year, there will be a limited # of possibly the worst preceptors left

 

basically, if you were accepted ANYWHERE else, go there! Avoid NSU Jax if possible. Even if you were only accepted here, wait a year & re-apply to ANY OTHER SCHOOL! It's not worth wasting your money just to be dismissed from the program within months of graduation - or anytime within the 27 months of the program.

 

Or, even better, consider nursing. Get your ADN/RN, then do an online RN-ARNP. You can work, making >$40 k/yr & do everything online & never have to retake a certification exam!! Much better option & the ONLY option once you've been dismissed from the PA program as you won't be a competitive candidate for any other PA school. Plus, you don't have to sit in a chair for hours every day listening to people with essentially NO ACTUAL CLINICAL EXPERIENCE read research articles to you - oh yeah, none of the female PA faculty have more than 5 years experience as a PA; the only MD on staff has never practiced medicine in the U.S. & was never board certified. 

 

heed this warning - it seems that some already have as applicants have been dropping left & right, leaving the school with an incoming class that still has yet to be filled, but for those of you even considering it, AVOID THIS PROGRAM AT ALL COST!! your financial & academic future are on the line here. 

 

& if you think you're safe now that the Program Director was sacked, YOU'RE NOT! The regime continues, even in his absence. So, if you want to take your chances, good luck, but don't say we didn't warn you!

 

Also, program accreditation status @ risk due to low PANCE pass rates...just in case you're not aware

Just putting this here because in 48 hours the original post will have been "edited" to remove all content.

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Current first year here at NSU JAX:

 

First off, let me start off by saying how embarrassing it is that I have to use my valuable study time to respond to this temper tantrum of a post. It seems like all the professionalism lectures clearly didn't teach you anything.

 

BACKGROUND HISTORY

or what CurrentStudent isn't telling you

 

Select individuals in the current second year class had access to a lengthy test bank that contained all of the didactic exams, EOR's, and OSCE (Objective Structured Clinical Exam) scenarios available to them. Once the program was made aware of this, they suddenly changed-up the exams on the students. Naturally, not everyone was able to handle the switch, ESPECIALLY those students who took full advantage of the crutch that was the exam bank. Again, I'm not accusing the whole class or even any one person of using the test bank: I'm saying it was there and everything was peachy for the students until the exams were changed and people started failing the changed tests. Additionally, it's clear that those same students using the crutch didn't learn very much which lead to them failing the PANCE. Now some of the second year students (ones I can only assume used the test bank and are now paying the consequences for it) are crying foul.

 

 

Now to address all your points

 

Faculty and staff don't care: I can say with absolute certainty that you are incorrect. On the contrary, I have never experienced a staff that is more there for us. Even when times were difficult during administrative transitions I and many of my classmates were constantly approached by faculty to check-in, see how we were doing, how we are handling the stress of the program, and receiving CONSTANT encouragement. If you didn't get that from the faculty, its clear that you never took the time to meet with them or even go to them with a question. 

 

Staff disorganization: Since the exam bank debacle the program, academic and medical directors have been replaced. Administrative transition periods are always met with some disorganization and that can only be ironed out with time and I have already seen major improvements.

 

Preceptors dropping out: The #1 complaint from the preceptors has been the complete and udder lack of critical thinking skills from the students. This is a DIRECT result of having the OSCE scenarios available to you before the examination. I have personally spoken with a few of your classmates on this issue. Imagine only having to study 4 clinical scenarios for an OSCE rather than the minimum 25-30 possible cases that my class had to. Did you ever think that those two may be related somehow?

 

The "regime" change: If you thought that just because the administration changed that meant you get a free pass: you're wrong the rules still apply. 

 

Students being dismissed from the program: This happens in almost every program. Students fail out, it happens. To my knowledge the current total of dismissed students for the second year class is 2 and a few may have failed their EOR's today (hence the post today). Failure and dismissal is always a possibility regardless of the program.

 

I am proud to be a PA student at NSU JAX. If you're not and you're THAT passionate about the NP route, you know where the door is.

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The test bank was from the 2016class that already graduated. The new exams were so flawed that after a few rotations into the clinical year they re-did ALL the exams and took out the questions that didn't match objectives or were just wrong. The 2017 class therefore had no crutch (CurrentFirstYr18) because the cheating was caught before the 2017 class entered clinicals. I've seen the disorganization with the staff the entire length of the program not just the recent change of administration, the advisors don't know the policy, everything was referred back to the program director who got fired. 

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CurentFirstYear18's response is false in every way. Again, come and see for yourself. Plus, check out that hard evidence NikkiO provided. 

 

A one year-dip in PANCE scores from a class that was proven to have access to the programs exams (A fact that was just confirmed by Student555) is hardly evidence to support your largely subjective post. It's clear your angry at the program and I get it, PA school is stressful and rather than post anonymously on a forum maybe you should spend the time studying for your OSCE tomorrow. Better yet, you could actually seek advise from your professors.

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Hi Guys!

 

Another current student at Nova Class of 2018....I totally agree with my classmates! I am a proud Nova student and sad to see another student resorting to such immaturity on this forum.  This program may not be perfect, but I'm certain no program is. The faculty truly want each of us to succeed and tell us that daily! We even have professors that have cried tears of joys as they tell us how proud they are of us! Their doors are always open, and they are always available. The new program director works 12-14 hours most days trying her best to make this program the best it can be after two cheating classes have made a mess of things, so please show her some respect. 

 

To further support what my classmates have stated, 100% of all the recent drama associated with our program is from students that were caught CHEATING.  News flash, we ALL know cheating is wrong, or at least you would think we all know that. It's an absolute shame that students in the classes ahead of us were cheating their way through PA school when they will one day be responsible for the life of someone's grandmother, daughter, mother, brother, etc. That's speaks volume about their character, and the validity of their arguments against Nova Jax.

 

The program is currently working hard to correct this, but they cannot undo what has been done.  Hence, the 2016 PANCE scores.  1+1=2...they are low because a large majority of the class was cheating, and they (both the school and students) are now paying the price.

 

Also, to complain that you've been kicked out of a program for failing is asinine.  All PA programs have high expectations and standards that are given to you up front, and if you cannot make the grade, you cannot continue in the program. Expecting a PA program to allow you to fail exams, and continue on in the program is ludicrous. I would not want to be a part of a program that did so. Also, they have raised the pass rate for our classes on many testing components, and we all continue to pass.   

 

Moral of the story: Don't cheat your way through Nova Jax PA program, and you will be just fine. :)

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Hi Guys!

 

Another current student at Nova Class of 2018....I totally agree with my classmates! I am a proud Nova student and sad to see another student resorting to such immaturity on this forum.  This program may not be perfect, but I'm certain no program is. The faculty truly want each of us to succeed and tell us that daily! We even have professors that have cried tears of joys as they tell us how proud they are of us! Their doors are always open, and they are always available. The new program director works 12-14 hours most days trying her best to make this program the best it can be after two cheating classes have made a mess of things, so please show her some respect. 

 

To further support what my classmates have stated, 100% of all the recent drama associated with our program is from students that were caught CHEATING.  News flash, we ALL know cheating is wrong, or at least you would think we all know that. It's an absolute shame that students in the classes ahead of us were cheating their way through PA school when they will one day be responsible for the life of someone's grandmother, daughter, mother, brother, etc. That's speaks volume about their character, and the validity of their arguments against Nova Jax.

 

The program is currently working hard to correct this, but they cannot undue what has been done.  Hence, the 2016 PANCE scores.  1+1=2...they are low because a large majority of the class was cheating, and they (both the school and students) are now paying the price.

 

Also, to complain that you've been kicked out of a program for failing is asinine.  All PA programs have high expectations and standards that are given to you up front, and if you cannot make the grade, you cannot continue in the program. Expecting a PA program to allow you to fail exams, and continue on in the program is ludacris. I would not want to be a part of a program that did so. Also, they have raised the pass rate for our classes on many testing components, and we all continue to pass.   

 

Moral of the story: Don't cheat your way through Nova Jax PA program, and you will be just fine. :)

You know, we could almost set a clock by this:

Step 1: New account claiming to be a student trashes school

Step 2: Various rebuttals and agreements, mostly by other brand new accounts

Step 3: Another brand new account, also claiming to be a current student, trashes the OP

Step 4: OP deletes the original complaint and vanishes.

 

Seems to take about 48 hours to go through all of these.  Am I missing any major steps, oldtimers?

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You know, we could almost set a clock by this:

Step 1: New account claiming to be a student trashes school

Step 2: Various rebuttals and agreements, mostly by other brand new accounts

Step 3: Another brand new account, also claiming to be a current student, trashes the OP

Step 4: OP deletes the original complaint and vanishes.

 

Seems to take about 48 hours to go through all of these.  Am I missing any major steps, oldtimers?

 

 

Wow, I'm just noticing that all of these accounts were created around the same time of day yesterday. Very strange. I don't know what to make of this.

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Wow, I'm just noticing that all of these accounts were created around the same time of day yesterday. Very strange. I don't know what to make of this.

5 brownie points to anyone who can guess which two of the brand-new accounts are posting from the same IP address...

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5 brownie points to anyone who can guess which two of the brand-new accounts are posting from the same IP address...

 

Hmmm...moderator must be equivalent to pot stirrer?? But I've noticed this trend with your post in the past, rev ronin. I personally feel like moderators should be more professional, but to each his own.

 

Yes, I do have another account on here, but I chose to create one "anonymously" as PA school has enough drama by itself. The cheating has been an unfortunate event at Nova Jax that has caused a lot of division between classes. Choosing to remain anonymous (as all of these posters have done) is our prerogative. In person and on campus, I will state these same things. 

 

Clarification that Nova Jax is not the program that has been depicted on this forum was needed.  I've debated posting for months. Many angry second year students have bashed the program and provided erroneous information when they were simply angry they were caught cheating. End of story.

 

Future students, congratulations on being accepted and don't fret! This will all blow over after graduation in August. If you have questions, message me as I would be happy to help. 

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Thank you to the moderator for pointing that out. 

 

These forums don't exclude faculty members, and I'd assume that those are the "current students" coming to their defense. 

 

The original message didn't have anything to do with "cheating" which clearly the school doesn't care about as they've allowed those who've been caught first-hand to return and complete the program. Also, their newest faculty member was a part of one of the classes of "cheaters." 

 

The class of 2018 started this whole mess by submitting the files to faculty, and now the entire program is being punished as the school assumes that ALL OF THE STUDENTS, yes, the current first-years included, are cheaters. 

 

But again, the initial message is not in regards to the cheating, or whatever else these kiss-assers say it is. It was simply a very honest description of the current state of the program, and once again, if you happen to make the awful mistake of attending, just remember that you were warned. 

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These forums don't exclude faculty members, and I'd assume that those are the "current students" coming to their defense. 

 

 

 

By the same token, the fact that you omitted the whole story (including the cheating) we can only assume you're a disgruntled student that coasted their way using the test bank and now you're either in danger of being dismissed, have already been, or are deciding to leave on your own accord. Perhaps you just didn't make the passing grades necessary to successfully complete the program. Regardless, it's clear you were angry when you made the rash decision post on this forum the way you did and shame on you for calling out our faculty individually the way you have. My intent in my response was to share the whole story, show that there are two sides to this, and not everyone agrees with you. By posting on this forum like this you are only making all of your classmates and anyone else involved with the program work that much harder to clear their name and defend their degree. Along with my classmate I gladly share this opinion in person and on campus and I'd have an adult discussion with anyone who disagrees with me.

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Yes, I do have another account on here, but I chose to create one "anonymously" as PA school has enough drama by itself.

Thanks for the confession, but no, you're not the one posting with two accounts in this thread.

 

I don't know that pointing the natural lifecycle of an I-hate-my-program thread is unprofessional; I've been using the Internet for 30 years this summer, longer than many of our posters have been alive. I've seen 4-5 of these threads now, and they tend to come in springtime. If this is your school, I'm sure this seems a crisis that you want to resolve. From my perspective it's an interesting thing to watch.

 

This could be what it appears. It could be a grudge by the alleged former program director, or by a rival school, or everything could be a big hoax perpetrated by one bored troll. I can't honestly tell, can you?

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So unless I'm sitting here arguing with myself, I think we have an idea as to which two accounts are posting from the same IP address.

 

Most likely CurrentStudent and Student555 of course.

 

Anyways, I'm another first year that is annoyed with the continued negative attention this program receives.  I won't sit here and say that all of what CurrentStudent originally posted is false, but most of it is.  Many changes have been made since the start of this year and they will continue to be made now that a new program director has been put in place.  I honestly feel as though the current staff here at NSU Jacksonville has my best interests at heart.

 

If anyone is reading this and was considering NSU Jacksonville as an option for PA school I would ask them to take a moment and consider the type of person who would make the original post.  If the rumors are correct it is someone who has already failed a class in their first year, was forced to wait a year to remediate, failed an EOR examination but successfully appealed to be reinstated into the program, and now they feel the need to make a post on the internet trashing the program.  The only explanation I can come up with for doing so would be if said student failed another EOR and is now being kicked out of the program with no chance to return.

 

Sometimes people are unable to accept blame and feel as though their shortcomings are due to some vendetta the program has against them.  The truth is not everyone deserves to be a PA. If you are unable or unwilling to complete the necessary requirements to finish a PA program, then you have no business treating patients.  

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Oooohhhhh, yes, let's take that one on. 

 

Didn't mention that one yet folks: 

 

- if you fail a class, for any reason, you are offered an opportunity to remediate. If the remediation is failed, you are required to sit out a year and repeat the entire course. Student loans go into repayment, rent's still due, etc. 

 

this has happened to one of the current 2nd year students (the individual mentioned above) and one of the 1st year students thus far. And who knows, could even be you next!

 

Ask anyone how they really feel about the program, and while a very small number of those in the first year class might argue the above points, the majority will agree with what has been said.

 

Once again, just a warning.  

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Thanks for the confession, but no, you're not the one posting with two accounts in this thread.

 

I don't know that pointing the natural lifecycle of an I-hate-my-program thread is unprofessional; I've been using the Internet for 30 years this summer, longer than many of our posters have been alive. I've seen 4-5 of these threads now, and they tend to come in springtime. If this is your school, I'm sure this seems a crisis that you want to resolve. From my perspective it's an interesting thing to watch

That wasn't a confession but thank you for your valuable commentary. Please enjoy "watching" the show. 

 

Anyway, back to the issue at hand. As several current students have stated we are simply exhausted with all of the negativity surrounding the program. We are currently in finals and working our behinds off to make it through the program. Please stop discrediting a program, profession, and our future alma-mater just because you weren't able to make the cut. This forum is used heavily by those pre-PA students, and providing them with incorrect information is just unfair.  

 

Future and prospective students, like Another1stYear stated, we hope you see where these posts are coming from.  I think each person that has replied from the Class of 2018 has simply done so to show you the truth.  Please make your own judgements about the program and certainly don't accept these angry posts as truths.  

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Oooohhhhh, yes, let's take that one on. 

 

Didn't mention that one yet folks: 

 

- if you fail a class, for any reason, you are offered an opportunity to remediate. If the remediation is failed, you are required to sit out a year and repeat the entire course. Student loans go into repayment, rent's still due, etc. 

 

this has happened to one of the current 2nd year students (the individual mentioned above) and one of the 1st year students thus far. And who knows, could even be you next!

 

Ask anyone how they really feel about the program, and while a very small number of those in the first year class might argue the above points, the majority will agree with what has been said.

 

Once again, just a warning.  

The majority of PA programs don't even offer remediations. 

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Embarrassed this will be my alma mater. Will not ever give back to such a mess of a program. Graduation can't come soon enough. 

 

It's clear the children in the class of 2018 disagree - all 3 or 2 or 1 of them, whomever is responding. And thank you all for perpetuating *rumors* and dogging students who have already lost their opportunities to become HCP's - sure you'll make compassionate PA's yourself. 

 

Again people, this is a WARNING!

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- if you fail a class, for any reason, you are offered an opportunity to remediate. If the remediation is failed, you are required to sit out a year and repeat the entire course. Student loans go into repayment, rent's still due, etc. 

 

this has happened to one of the current 2nd year students (the individual mentioned above) and one of the 1st year students thus far. And who knows, could even be you next!

 

 

Looks like you didn't read your student handbook. That's a university-wide policy for nearly every program under the College of Healthcare Sciences: all PA programs, all 4 campuses. Again, the system isn't failing you, you're failing the system.

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