RURALMED Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 So I came across this Upstate University guidelines for NP preceptors which states "Physician Assistants (PA) cannot legally precept Nurse Practitioner Students." Now, I know many NP schools do not allow PAs to precept their students and my program does not allow independent NPs to precept PA students, but this seems like a false claim. Does anybody know if this is actually a law in New York? Anyway, it's their loss because all of my PA preceptors have been absolutely amazing! http://www.upstate.edu/con/students/preceptor_guide.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cop to pa Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 "a preceptorship experience, supervised by a nurse practitioner or physician practicing in the specialty area of the program, of at least one semester in length or its equivalent." http://www.op.nysed.gov/prof/nurse/part52-12.htm Looks like it. At least for NY programs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAAdmission Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 The question is, why would you want to participate in this exercise in frustration? There probably is not much joy in trying to navigate a severely under-prepared student through a semester's worth of clinical experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cop to pa Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 Yeah, looking at the verbiage when I was checking this for the OP earlier, one semester of clinicals. That's the minimum in NY state. One semester of clinicals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebecker Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 I have precepted an NP student, so not illegal everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check 2 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 I have precepted NP students but don't do it anymore. Not a legal issue - a frustration and anger issue. Heavily unprepared students with unbelievably limited and insufficient rotation requirements who don't do well with independent thinking or decision making. Not illegal in Washington. Just not satisfying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 I have an NP student now so like mentioned it's not prohibited everywhere. As far as their training, At first my student was severely lacking in presentation and exam skills esp MSK exams but I worked with her on that and she's showing real progress. I do see where their training is lacking but I think a good Preceptor can help in those trouble areas. I am actually going to recommend my student as a new hire when she graduates. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cop to pa Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 I don't want to step on the OP here. Many of you say you precept NP students. How many are in NY state? I think that's the state in question here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db_pavnp Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Hey, now. Let's not derail this thread by answering the OP's question when there are pot shots to be had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UGoLong Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 It must be a state-by-state issue, or maybe even an issues with some NP programs. In any event, I've precepted several NP students over the years. In addition to the chance to teach, it's also a chance to show who we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMD16 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 NYS PA here. Not a law. I refused to precept NP student. Why waste your time. They're better than us they claimed or at least the mindset. There knowledge base sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzyJ Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 It would appear as though this statement is not 100% correct. So, an NP student must be supervised by a physician or NP. What is the definition of supervision? Does that mean of there was an MD, PA, and NP in an office the NP student would be involved in an illegal act if s/he spent a couple hours working with the PA? In my experience affiliations agreements are with one specified MD/PA/NP. That means that is the person of record (supervisor) of the student. That doesn't mean that NP student must not work with any other person. Having this statement on their web page is just further spreading confusion and increasing hostility between our two professions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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