safariaussie Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Hey everyone, I am new to the forum and have seen that there is a lot of experience on here. I will be graduating in August and have a job offer in derm. I worked there before as a medical assistant and so negotiations feel a little more touchy if that makes sense. Here are the details: -$70,000 for first year -Full benefits for me, my wife and dependents -3 wks PTO -1 wk CME with $2,000 allowance -malpractice covered -society/membership fees covered (to a point) -noncompete for 2 years in 8 mile radius -second year will get a raise and will be base salary plus production bonus (no specifics on how much raise or bonus structure) What do you guys think? I don't want to be greedy but I think 70,000 is still on the low side even for a training year in derm. I really like the office and don't want to overstep by asking for a sign-on bonus or maybe to consider a raise once I start seeing patients. I am in Utah by the way. Any advice or feedback is appreciated. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator rev ronin Posted March 29, 2016 Administrator Share Posted March 29, 2016 Yes, the salary is rather low, but the other parts of the offer aren't bad. Seems like everyone is short changing dependent medical, CME, and malpractice these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safariaussie Posted March 29, 2016 Author Share Posted March 29, 2016 Thanks for the quick reply rev! There is my dilemma. Salary is on the low side from what I have read but the benefits are good and with benefits included I would be closer to 95K all together. Obviously as a new grad I don't want to sound greedy or self important but I also know I will bring a great deal of income for them in the first few years and even more once I am proficient. I will be 'in training' for 4-6 months without seeing patients and then will be given as many as I feel comfortable taking after that. Is a signing bonus normal or would that just be crazy to ask for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JtheWorker Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 I'd try to get more info on the bonus structure. Talk to other PAs if any are there to ask about realism. If you can realistically expect to make 150k+ after 2 years due to a good, regular productivity bonus, that in my opinion is well worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pahopeful_1 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 I agree that the benefits are nice, but 70k without any bonus for one year is low ball offer in my opinion (~36/hr). If you really like the place and the doc is willing to teach, it may be worth it, but I would still try to negotiate a little (something along the lines of may be 75k + 1.5k sign on bonus). Plus, if I were you I would get specifics on bonus structure to see if that is really attainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safariaussie Posted March 29, 2016 Author Share Posted March 29, 2016 Thanks for all the feedback! I really like the office and all the providers. The doc is a very good teacher and will be teaching me personally and hands on for the first 4-6 months to ensure I am comfortable with all of the procedures and charting I will be doing. They want me to be able to do excisions on everything except melanomas (in situ I will still excise), perform all the cosmetic procedures the office offers except sclerotherapy (lasers, botox, fillers, etc), and all the normal derm stuff too. This is pretty attractive to me. I want to be able to do a lot on my own. I feel this doc will spend a lot of time teaching me how to do all of it and how to do it well. I am not sure what the other PA makes in the office but from what I remember, he chose to take a slightly higher base salary rather than salary plus bonus because he doesn't want to do any of the cosmetic procedures or excisions. I am in the process of getting clarification on the bonus structure. I will let you guys know what I am told. Thanks again for the responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted March 29, 2016 Moderator Share Posted March 29, 2016 if you think of it as a residency(which it sounds like with the great teaching) then I wouldn't sweat the low salary for the first year. derm is a hard field to get into and get training in. you should probably go for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delco714 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 if you think of it as a residency(which it sounds like with the great teaching) then I wouldn't sweat the low salary for the first year. derm is a hard field to get into and get training in. you should probably go for it!I back this up 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajnelson Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Since you won't be seeing patients on your own the first several months, I feel that this is a great starting salary. You could always add in that you'd like a bump in pay once you are seeing patients, which is when you'll be making them money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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