PennPA4 Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 What are your thoughts on this back and forth between JAAPA and NCCPA? Why does it sound like it is a done deal with NCCPA new exam change format? I still don't understand why is the reason for change. Minority wants more relavent test for their practice but it is minority. Why do we have to appease minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator rev ronin Posted March 21, 2016 Administrator Share Posted March 21, 2016 NCCPA is a for-profit organization with a self-perpetuating board, with their test baked into the laws of 50 states and a bunch of territories. They are, in a word, a monopoly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator True Anomaly Posted March 21, 2016 Moderator Share Posted March 21, 2016 I find it fascinating, as the AAPA has (to my limited knowledge) never come out so strongly against the policies of another PA organization- especially without the HOD voting to do so. It does seem the majority of working PA's agree with the AAPA as to these changes being unnecessary, but haven't seen AAPA be this vociferous about an issue like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PennPA4 Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 NCCPA is a for-profit organization with a self-perpetuating board, with their test baked into the laws of 50 states and a bunch of territories. They are, in a word, a monopoly. They claim in rebuttle that NCCPA is non-for profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator rev ronin Posted March 22, 2016 Administrator Share Posted March 22, 2016 They claim in rebuttle that NCCPA is non-for profit Rebuttal? I'd be interested in seeing that. Regardless, not-for-profit organizations can still make their employees and directors rich, just not their shareholders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas5814 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 yea.. if you are a not for profit but pay your leadership scandalous salaries.. well. I don't know for sure but it seems like they are appointed for life. I'm not sure what it takes to get fired from their leadership positions. I'm in a dark mood so I am extra bitchy today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator True Anomaly Posted March 23, 2016 Moderator Share Posted March 23, 2016 yea.. if you are a not for profit but pay your leadership scandalous salaries.. well. I don't know for sure but it seems like they are appointed for life. I'm not sure what it takes to get fired from their leadership positions. I'm in a dark mood so I am extra bitchy today. NCCPA commissions are volunteer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolute Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 NCCPA's response to the JAAPA article is posted on the AAPA web site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas5814 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 sorry... I had my AAPA and NCCPA backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWR Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 So if the people who are on the commission for NCCPA are voluteers, do they just raise a hand and get picked? How long do they volunteer for? Finally, why don't they listen to the people they represent? IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check 2 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 I can't find the NCCPA response on the aapa website. Any links or keywords? Nothing working so far except verbatim transcript of NCCPA proposed changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolute Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Reality Check, Go to the AAPA site, Just to the right of the rotating banner that are 4 blue action buttons. the bottom one is labeled "NCCPA" Recertification Proposal", follow that one. Once there you should see a red outlined box with "New Release". "NCCPA issues response to the JAAPA"..... Click on "here", that should bring up the article. Sorry for the long instructions, for some reason I can no longer post links, nor is my "quote" button working... weird. Anyway hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrsmurf Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 I'm out of the loop what's going on between the jaapa and nccpa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check 2 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Thank you, Evolute I think that the rotating banner just lost me on everything. I read their rebuttle - lots of hurt feelings..... So, my nutshell take on this - No one really and truly understands what we do on a daily basis and it varies widely practice to practice, state to state. I LOVED Pathway II and actually felt like I learned something - imagine that.... I HATE going to Pearson testing and being treated like a convict to be filmed while taking a test that lists meds I have NEVER used in 25 years and that don't match Sanford or anything else for that matter. That test never ever reflected what I have done in practice or is recommended by specialists and I don't remember reading anything about their "right" answers to justify them. Not sure who writes the questions - probably the same person who writes the worthless vague touchy feely surveys..... My brief brainblast thought - why don't we have a generalist test and then form some sort of specialty test based on whatever specialty our SPs are board certified in? I would take whatever AAFP subjects doctors to. Why can't I be under the scope of the AAFP since that is what I do every stinking day? Yep, NCCPA would not make any more money off of me if AAFP dictates my specialty test. But, I would be tested in what I actually do. I am cranky and have a headache today. 90% of my current patients this week have this horrifying viral crud that doesn't respond to anything and lasts for weeks and they have freely shared with my staff and me. So, this is going to boil down to who gets to charge money for their test regardless of validity or applicability. It is what we have and we have to deal with it somehow. I don't feel like being a guinea pig for their nebulous ideas of change. Cranky old 2 cents and bad day....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PennPA4 Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 Can we sign a petition to have NCCPA board reelected? Who is in charge of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paula Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Maybe get rid of the BOD physician members first? PAs should be able to manage our own profession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyer0978 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 The NCCPA is in fact a "nonprofit" organization (501c6) but if you look at their 990's for the past few years I'm sure you'll see mega salaries for incompetent leadership. Their board members are volunteers who are appointed in various different ways. I think their terms are like 8 years or something. The NCCPA doesn't represent or serve us like the AAPA does. They are more like what the NBME is to docs. But their board, which is made up PAs like us and other volunteers who have "day" jobs, should have effective leadership and listening to the profession even if you don't have to is part of being effective. IMHO, the organization has gone downhill since the change in staff leadership a few years ago. The Board should have found a way to keep Janet. I remember her as a terrific leader- super intelligent, took the time to listen to the profession, was highly respected by just about everyone and never let the power go to her head. It didn't feel as much like a monopoly then as it does now. Oh well. Sort of beating a dead horse..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuralER/Ortho Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Can anyone find the 2015 990? I can find older ones, but I'm curious as to the more recent ones with the current regime that is in place... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyer0978 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 I called and was told that they typically show up mid year the subsequent year of filing. So, should be any day now for 2015. The IRS also said you could call/write to the company directly and they are obligated to share it. But, something tells me it won't be an easy go with current regime. Also, just read through the qualifications and process to be a NCCPA board member. They are looking for new members and accepting applications through August 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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