JFarnsworth Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I haven't been on the Forum for a while, so forgive me if there is another post about this. I'm wondering if there is a bridge program where PAs can fast track to become a PA. I'd love the privledges that NPs get in my state, and bypass all those silly people who want an NP and an NP only. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted July 15, 2015 Moderator Share Posted July 15, 2015 NO 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Febrifuge Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Where's the fast track bridge program I can do without quitting my job that will allow me the total autonomy the NPs get? I'd be willing to read a brochure or attend a very short info session about that, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted July 15, 2015 Moderator Share Posted July 15, 2015 fastest route is pa to rn 1 yr via excelsior then 2 yr online np program while working full time as a pa. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Febrifuge Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 fastest route is pa to rn 1 yr via excelsior then 2 yr online np program while working full time as a pa. I was kidding! ...but thank you for providing actual info. That's probably more helpful for future readers than my snarky attitude. Having spoken to some Emergency RN friends in the past, I think nursing education might seriously mess me up. Or get me kicked out of school for my snarky attitude. So it's a nice thought, but nahhh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFarnsworth Posted July 15, 2015 Author Share Posted July 15, 2015 Well, I get frustrated at all the BS rules and regulations that apply to PAs and not to NPs. I know we have a strong nurse's union and political voice here in California but the discrepancies are mind boggling. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted July 16, 2015 Moderator Share Posted July 16, 2015 Well, I get frustrated at all the BS rules and regulations that apply to PAs and not to NPs. I know we have a strong nurse's union and political voice here in California but the discrepancies are mind boggling. one of the reasons I left california. there used to be ads that said "will only consider a PA if no NPs apply" and these same ads listed much higher salaries for NPs than PAs doing the same job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpac Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 one of the reasons I left california. there used to be ads that said "will only consider a PA if no NPs apply" and these same ads listed much higher salaries for NPs than PAs doing the same job. You worked in the wrong part of the state. PAs dominate in the Central Valley, and all the PAs I know are making 6 figures. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted July 16, 2015 Moderator Share Posted July 16, 2015 You worked in the wrong part of the state. PAs dominate in the Central Valley, and all the PAs I know are making 6 figures. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk yup, those were bay area job ads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFarnsworth Posted July 16, 2015 Author Share Posted July 16, 2015 yup, those were bay area job ads. And I live in the bay area. NPs get OT, double time, BREAKS for Pete's sake, double backs... and all PAs are exempt employees. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAAdmission Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 The Bay area houses a unique belnd of cosmic idiocy. Nice to visit, better to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator True Anomaly Posted July 16, 2015 Moderator Share Posted July 16, 2015 An NP to PA bridge program is as likely to happen as an NP to MD bridge program Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFarnsworth Posted July 17, 2015 Author Share Posted July 17, 2015 An NP to PA bridge program is as likely to happen as an NP to MD bridge program The way the NPs are going, I wouldn't be surprised if they finagled an NP to MD bridge program... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted July 17, 2015 Moderator Share Posted July 17, 2015 The way the NPs are going, I wouldn't be surprised if they finagled an NP to MD bridge program... didn't you mean an MD to NP program.....:) 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted July 17, 2015 Moderator Share Posted July 17, 2015 The way the NPs are going, I wouldn't be surprised if they finagled an NP to MD bridge program... NEVER EVER HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFarnsworth Posted July 17, 2015 Author Share Posted July 17, 2015 didn't you mean an MD to NP program.....:) If there ever was a program like this, I'm sure the classes would be empty because no candidate was deemed smart enough to be admitted... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 You worked in the wrong part of the state. PAs dominate in the Central Valley, and all the PAs I know are making 6 figures. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I work in the Bay Area and make 6 figures. I am however the only PA in my department and the NPs make a lot more. A level 1 NP makes 20k more than me (I'm a level 2 PA). It sucks. They also just got full independence in California as of May 1 2015. Hasn't happened yet but I bet when the time comes, I'll be left out of all the policy changes. They are already clamoring at meetings how they are independent and should not be required to have a SP and they should have their own panels. I think there should be a vehicle for independent PA practice outside of Med school after a certain period/years in practice. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonlegit Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 If there ever was a program like this, I'm sure the classes would be empty because no candidate was deemed smart enough to be admitted... Agreed. I'll try to say this diplomatically...but surely the washout rate at Step times would put the kabosh on this plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted July 17, 2015 Moderator Share Posted July 17, 2015 I work in the Bay Area and make 6 figures. I am however the only PA in my department and the NPs make a lot more. A level 1 NP makes 20k more than me (I'm a level 2 PA). It sucks. They also just got full independence in California as of May 1 2015. Hasn't happened yet but I bet when the time comes, I'll be left out of all the policy changes. They are already clamoring at meetings how they are independent and should not be required to have a SP and they should have their own panels. I think there should be a vehicle for independent PA practice outside of Med school after a certain period/years in practice. there is a move afoot for independent rural primary care practice in nevada this year... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paula Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 ^^^^ and is expected to take two legislative sessions (4 years), but I am hopeful it will only take the first session if a bill can get sponsored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paula Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 I work in the Bay Area and make 6 figures. I am however the only PA in my department and the NPs make a lot more. A level 1 NP makes 20k more than me (I'm a level 2 PA). It sucks. They also just got full independence in California as of May 1 2015. Hasn't happened yet but I bet when the time comes, I'll be left out of all the policy changes. They are already clamoring at meetings how they are independent and should not be required to have a SP and they should have their own panels. I think there should be a vehicle for independent PA practice outside of Med school after a certain period/years in practice. Why are there levels? Is is based on number of years in practice or by degree...i.e. bachelor's vs master's vs doctorate? Are the NPs in a union? I thought the independent practice bill in California was defeated???? Does CAPA have any will to go for independence for PAs?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 It's steps/levels. Based on years experience. I have a coworker who attended UC Davis' FNP/PA prog who got both certs. She has 5 yrs experience as a PA and started as a PA there. In April she took the FNP test (cakewalk compared to PANCE she said) and is now a NP level 1 to make 20k more. We do the same job. I argue I do more since I'm the only one that does joint injections and most procedures. She does some procedures but I get all the joints from the whole practice. I'm the least paid of my coworkers now. Independence was not defeated it went through and in effect 5/2015 CAPA has not mentioned any plan for PA independence but I think we can't get independence until AAPA moves on it? I dunno how that would work Sent from my S5 Active...Like you care... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted July 17, 2015 Moderator Share Posted July 17, 2015 I just spoke with my state delegate yesterday. they didn't even vote yes on the choice associate vs assistant amendment at aapa in sf in may because they trotted out the old " they will open up our pa practice bills" garbage... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted July 17, 2015 Moderator Share Posted July 17, 2015 Why are there levels? Is is based on number of years in practice or by degree...i.e. bachelor's vs master's vs doctorate? Are the NPs in a union? I thought the independent practice bill in California was defeated???? Does CAPA have any will to go for independence for PAs?? the NPs are in the same union as the RNs so they can flex a lot of muscle; "don't pay PAs the same as NPs or hire PAs over NPs or all our nurses will go on strike..." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFarnsworth Posted July 18, 2015 Author Share Posted July 18, 2015 It's steps/levels. Based on years experience. I have a coworker who attended UC Davis' FNP/PA prog who got both certs. She has 5 yrs experience as a PA and started as a PA there. In April she took the FNP test (cakewalk compared to PANCE she said) and is now a NP level 1 to make 20k more. We do the same job. I argue I do more since I'm the only one that does joint injections and most procedures. She does some procedures but I get all the joints from the whole practice. I'm the least paid of my coworkers now. Independence was not defeated it went through and in effect 5/2015 CAPA has not mentioned any plan for PA independence but I think we can't get independence until AAPA moves on it? I dunno how that would work Sent from my S5 Active...Like you care... I also know someone who got both her NP and PA training at UCD, she can basically go anywhere because she has both. And she makes a boatload. Because she is an NP, she gets those perqs and yet she gets jobs because she is also a PA. So I'm jealous. Joelseff, do you work for Kaiser? The nursing union made it mandatory that Kaiser looks for, posts jobs for, and hires NPs preferentially over PAs. And when they can't find a qualified NP, then they reluctantly hire a PA that they work mercilessly because they don't want to pay NPs overtime, NPs get mandated breaks (PAs are bullied into NOT taking their breaks), and PAs can work several days in a row for only base/hourly pay. And yet Kaiser still treats PAs like dirt. While I am glad for the path that I chose (I honestly believe that if I were a nurse and then became an NP, I would have a different mindset and might have developed a need to constantly shout about how superior I was to any other medical practitioner, just saying, I see it a lot with NPs)- I am really tired of how PAs are treated like second class citizens in California's medical world. We don't seem to be able to beat 'em, so I"m thinking I might have to join 'em. Grrrrrrrr 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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