Suezee Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I will be leaving my current position shortly. How much notice should I give? There's a long story but in short, I will be leaving a very hostile practice that has been stealing money from me and refusing to pay my incentive. I'm trying to be professional but I fear retribution and increased hostility the longer I stay. I have been with the practice for 3.5 years. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator rev ronin Posted June 10, 2015 Administrator Share Posted June 10, 2015 If you are indeed the victim of an ongoing crime, even if it's just breach of contract, why should you give any notice at all? The practice wouldn't give you any notice if they caught you stealing from them, would they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWR Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I disagree with the above suggestion. You have been there for 3.5 years so I assume that the problem has been ongoing or getting worse. When possible, never burn any bridges when leaving your position. They could be very vindictive and make finding or getting a position difficult. That said I would give i month notice with a formal resignation letter citing general reasons for moving on. The internet could be your enemy or your friend with comments about you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmood Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 One month seems about right to me. I wouldn't want to place my patients at risk by just not showing up one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suezee Posted June 10, 2015 Author Share Posted June 10, 2015 I honestly believe I will be terminated once I give notice. The owner/doctor has been told about the theft from my pay checks one month ago and has done nothing to rectify the situation. He's actually upset that I ask for the money due to me. There's a long list of reasons to leave, I just want to protect myself. My schedule isn't busy due to several negative situations surrounding the practice, I'd say I'm booked out 1 week in advance. I have another job several thousand miles away but I don't start for 2-3 months. Just sad it has come to this. Thanks for your replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalPA Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Maybe you can start investigating and find a nonprofit clinic or urgent care that might let you add some shifts at the last minute in case you have to make up for a months worth of work before you move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator rev ronin Posted June 10, 2015 Administrator Share Posted June 10, 2015 Time out, here. You DO have savings (or at least the ability to borrow without confiscatory interest rates, i.e., credit cards) sufficient for six months of living expenses, right? That's a pretty basic thing every adult should have, even if interest rates suck right now. Now, as far as all of these suggestions that you ease out of the position--WHY? If the existing practice is as bad as the OP implies it is, what is the value of a good recommendation from a criminal enterprise? Never be afraid to say "practice was stealing from me" on your next job application, if it's true. More importantly, gather evidence of wrongdoing before you give notice, and inform the appropriate authorities: your state's labor agency, and the medical board overseeing your SP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWR Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I think easing out is professional. You are not looking for nor want a recommendation from them. Don't stoop to their level and if they fire you you would be entitled to unemployment. I would not say "they were stealing from me". A prospective employer might take that as ared flag that you could be a malcontent. Keep it professional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator rev ronin Posted June 10, 2015 Administrator Share Posted June 10, 2015 I agree to an extent. I would not say "they were stealing from me" unless I actually filed a lawsuit or a criminal complaint, which would be public record. The issue of 'malcontent' is a real one, but I think it's important for the PA profession that we all stand up to abusive treatment, contract breaches, and other malarkey, and make it clear that we're not taking it. Thing is, if we actually do that, we may be bringing to light abuses of other medical practice employees--nurses, MAs, receptionists, whomever--and doing the RIGHT thing is almost never doing the COMFORTABLE thing. But yeah, I get that many people aren't willing to risk a black spot on their record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinntsp Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Give a 2 week notice and then collect unemployment if they fire you. Half of it is paid for by them. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbrothers98 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Do you have a contract that stipulates a termination timeframe? If so, stick to the contract. If not, lay low, work till you are booked right to the point you were going to leave for the new job, then provide notice. I am assuming that you will still get paychecks up to that point? Reality is that if this is an small practice, owned and run by a small group of people, it is like working for any small business. The owners can do whatever they want. Good luck. GB PA-C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceBanner Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I agree with Rev. I think in your case, quitting without notice is totally warranted. If you wanted you could just stay and lay low until you can start your new job. If the practice really is as hostile as you describe, they will most likely fire you after you give notice or make your last few weeks a living hell. You owe them NOTHING. Think about it---when has an employer ever given an employee 2 weeks notice before firing them? It's kind of a taboo thing to do as an adult but it is not the resume-killer people think it is. It's business. I get the argument of leaving on good terms and not burning bridges, but there is no bridge to burn here. If (and when) it comes up in your next interview, just tell them tactfully that there were some illegal financial practices going on and it was in your best interest to leave the group before things escalated any further. It's not like you worked there for a few months...3.5 years is a good stretch. Gather as much documentation as you can to prove their wrongdoing before you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marinejiujitsu Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Is 2 months notice sufficient in emergency medicine? Anyone know? I am changing jobs myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrsmurf Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 If they are stealing money from you, why aren't you lawyering up or going to small claims? There are a lot of labor protection laws out there, depending on the state you are in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorRRT Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 If they aren't paying you as stipulated by your contract, they are in violation, making the contract null, including any such termination clauses meaning you can leave whenever you want. Best advice when a contract is involved, lawyer up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted June 12, 2015 Moderator Share Posted June 12, 2015 typical is the # of vacation weeks you get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UGoLong Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I recently gave 3 months notice. It gives them time to hire someone else. That's about the max. If they would have let me go immediately (they didn't), then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAAdmission Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 They steal from you and you worry about notice? You are far too kind. It reminds me of a song: www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYCPccFQHWA And they should be worried about buring bridges with you. The PA community is small. It would not take much for just about every PA in your area to learn the practice is shady... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suezee Posted June 13, 2015 Author Share Posted June 13, 2015 Thanks for all your responses. I'm going to try to stay as long as I can or until the end of the month, whichever comes first. I was approached by the doctor's personal assistant two days ago and told I was replaceable and needed to apologize for continuously requesting to get paid. Yeah right!! The reputation of the office has been ruined due to divorce and subsequent split of the practice, as well as major illegal activity from last administrator. Thank you again for the advice, I'll just lay low and make my exit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paula Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 After that conversation I would have packed up my stuff and left at the end of the day after making sure I cleaned out the computer and files, and got everything that belonged to me. When the climate at my last job got toxic I started cleaning out my files, starting taking home my books, made sure all my patient notes were done at the end of each day, deleted emails (none were of any nature to be worried about), and was ready for my exit just in case I was fired when I gave notice. I had a job offer and was waiting for the final sign off on the contract before giving notice. The place I worked typically would just walk people off the job when they gave notice. I wasn't fired and ended up giving less than a week notice (altho they knew I would be leaving since you can't keep a secret in a small clinic) due to an acute/chronic problem with my husbands health, and I took my 6 weeks vacation time that was banked and was so happy I did. I have had no regrets at all and took a lower paying job, but better environment to practice in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetMeOuttaThisMess Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 Based on this latest event, where you have attempted to remain professional, I'd walk at this point (assuming you can financially afford to walk). If they can't be respectful/professional, to h*** with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAAdmission Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 I would walk and leave a bag of flaming dog poop on the doorstep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator rev ronin Posted June 13, 2015 Administrator Share Posted June 13, 2015 I would walk and leave a bag of flaming dog poop on the doorstep. I think you misspelled "complaints with the governmental agency overseeing labor and wage theft, as well as the medical board" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalPA Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 If he/she told you that you are replaceable, then that's your sign. You can walk and not feel that you left them high and dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Staying any longer than reasonable leaves YOU wide open to liability. I once worked in a unsavory practice and got out the door literally 4 days before the DEA came in and started wilding...!! The providers ended up spending $7-22k each for attornies and defense. It went on for almost 19 months before they were all just let off the hook. It was kinda funny because I got the phone call to my cell by one of the providers 7 days after it happened... and I was in Brazil on a much needed vacation and celebration after leaving the place 11 days before. GTFO...!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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