jlumsden Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I took the ePackrat yesterday, and received the results this morning. I found a formula online, and was wondering if it applies to the current Packrat, or an older version. Does anyone know? Here's the formula (from http://doseofpa.blogspot.com/2014/04/everything-you-need-to-know-about.html): A PANCE score of 350+ is generally accepted as “passing,” however, passing scores can and do range from 350-392 depending on the Form (though passing scores are no longer published) You can use the following formula to predict your PANCE scores PANCE = [PACKRAT x 5.74] - 287.47 The highest score attainable is an 800 I earned a 145 score as a first year student (missing 80). That implies a PANCE score of roughly 545, which is passing. A PANCE score of 350 correlates to a 111 or 112 on the Packrat, meaning you could miss half the questions and succeed. I recognize the need to keep studying, regardless, and also to focus on the suggested content areas. But how should I interpret these results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbrothers98 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 The PACKRAT has changed over the last few years. That formula above is based upon studies done in the mid to late 2000s. I would question it's validity. Go to http://www.packratexam.org/ and take a look at what is posted concerning the exams. The takeaway is that when the exam is finished, the taker will be given a score. That score is then compared to one's own cohort (class) and to the national cohort (every other PA student that takes that exam that year, broken down by either 1st or 2nd year). So interpret the results in relation to the local and national cohort, which is how you will be scored when you take the PANCE. Use the PACKRAT instead to see where weaknesses and strengths lie and work with that as a guide. There is no summative exam that will mimic the PANCE exactly so drawing conclusions or trying to provide comparison using something such as the PACKRAT is not worth the time and effort. Good luck. GB PA-C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timon Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Highest PANCE score isn't 800. We had a student who had an 830 in 2011/2012. I also saw a study that said a 110 PACKRAT score has a correlation to not passing the PANCE. http://www2.paeaonline.org/index.php?ht=a/GetDocumentAction/i/113776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallcrest Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Per NCCPA (see paragraph three) the highest reportable score on the PANCE is 800; maybe in 2011/2012 scoring was different. I took the packrat today and am curious as to how it went - definitely not quite used to taking tests that are 225 questions long! https://www.nccpa.net/scoring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlumsden Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 Today, faculty told us the national mean is about 130. Students in our program who scored under 130 will receive extra assistance preparing for the PANCE exam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAgirl21 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlumsden Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 It takes anywhere from 2-3 hours total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbrothers98 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Today, faculty told us the national mean is about 130. Students in our program who scored under 130 will receive extra assistance preparing for the PANCE exam. Better way to assess is to take PACKRAT end of didactic year. Provides feedback on what is weak. Then take PACKRAT again end of clinical year. There are 2 versions of exam available every year, that year's and the prior. Better indication of success is improvement from PACKRAT I to II along with being at the national mean or above. In fact it likely is a guarantee to pass. Good luck. GB PA-C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAgirl21 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 I have the PACKRAT's up to #15- do you think they are outdated to practice from? The newer ones I took in school are quite different in my opinion. I just wonder if they are still good indicators of PANCE performance. Also, does anyone know the exact and specific time I should allot myself when taking PACKRAT for timing practice. I can't remember if 2.5 hours is the standard time frame. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttaggart19 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 1 minute per question is what is given. So for 225 questions that's 3 hours and 45 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timon Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Per NCCPA (see paragraph three) the highest reportable score on the PANCE is 800; maybe in 2011/2012 scoring was different. I took the packrat today and am curious as to how it went - definitely not quite used to taking tests that are 225 questions long! https://www.nccpa.net/scoring Since you wanted to debate this... 800 is the maximum average score that will be reported. However, the actual maximum possible score is an 836. Here's a link: http://www2.paeaonline.org/index.php?ht=a/GetDocumentAction/i/143922 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwjeffrey Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Hi guys, I am just finishing up my first year of PA school and getting ready to move on to the clinical year. We have to take and pass the pack rat before we can move on. I have been taking old pack rat tests to practice. I'm just wondering how to calculate my score to gauge where I am at. According to my professors my score should be about 117-120 to pass. Is there a weird formula for calculating this? or is is just 117-120 out of the 225. I have been scoring about 160/225. Is that good? we are supposed to score with in one standard deviation of the national average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlumsden Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 Dwjeffrey -- Your questions are pretty much answered the rest of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavlovacloud Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Hi guys, I am just finishing up my first year of PA school and getting ready to move on to the clinical year. We have to take and pass the pack rat before we can move on. I have been taking old pack rat tests to practice. I'm just wondering how to calculate my score to gauge where I am at. According to my professors my score should be about 117-120 to pass. Is there a weird formula for calculating this? or is is just 117-120 out of the 225. I have been scoring about 160/225. Is that good? we are supposed to score with in one standard deviation of the national average. I got 158's on mine, but the exam was much harder than packrats. i feel worried about getting bk my result but we'll see how it goes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaq Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 On 10/10/2015 at 12:41 AM, pavlovacloud said: I got 158's on mine, but the exam was much harder than packrats. i feel worried about getting bk my result but we'll see how it goes! I know this is an older post from 2015, but I am curoius to know, did you pass your boards first time? I got the exact same PAKRAT score (158) at the end of clinical year and waiting for the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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