SocialMedicine Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Im not sure a DPT is 5 years ... My cousins wife just did one at Boston Univ and it took 7 years I believe. She has a 200 k debt which will probably be paid over a 15 year period at 1500 a month. She makes 15k less than the median PA salary in US. She makes 40k less than a new grad PA I know in ED in Florida. She has been working 2 years. I see what you are getting at now. If a PA program was going to award a doctoral degree they would have to add at least a half year to curriculum and include greater research methods and a research project somehwhat similar to what Yale requires for its 27 month program. I could see some programs adding a year. And now you find the student in a similar situation as my cousin with a much larger debt and nothing to show for it. MD and JD programs are trying to reduce time we should not try and expand it unless someone wants to take it to another level. I do not see PA degrees racing above inflation much in the next 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted May 22, 2015 Moderator Share Posted May 22, 2015 from APTA CurriculumThe length of professional DPT programs is typically 3 years. Primary content areas in the curriculum may include, but are not limited to, biology/anatomy, cellular histology, physiology, exercise physiology, biomechanics, kinesiology, neuroscience, pharmacology, pathology, behavioral sciences, communication, ethics/values, management sciences, finance, sociology, clinical reasoning, evidence-based practice, cardiovascular and pulmonary, endocrine and metabolic, and musculoskeletal. Eighty percent (80%) of the DPT curriculum comprises classroom (didactic) and lab study and the remaining 20 percent (20%) is dedicated to clinical education. PT students spend on average 27.5 weeks in their final clinical experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted May 22, 2015 Moderator Share Posted May 22, 2015 that's after a 4 yr bs though, 7 yrs total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MICURN Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 There are also plenty of 3 + 3 programs out there for DPT. And 2 + 4 for Pharmd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LT_Oneal_PAC Posted May 23, 2015 Moderator Share Posted May 23, 2015 There are also plenty of 3 + 3 programs out there for DPT. And 2 + 4 for Pharmd. Now that you mention it, there are 2+4 programs for MD programs as well. If they were to make one of those a 3 year MD for primary care, you could theoretically get your MD in 5 years from high school. Hmmmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted May 23, 2015 Moderator Share Posted May 23, 2015 Now that you mention it, there are 2+4 programs for MD programs as well. If they were to make one of those a 3 year MD for primary care, you could theoretically get your MD in 5 years from high school. Hmmmm.... I think most are 3+4. 2+3 is the British option... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator rev ronin Posted May 23, 2015 Administrator Share Posted May 23, 2015 There are several 6 year BS/MD programs in the US: http://www.minimedicalschool.com/BA_MD_programs.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LT_Oneal_PAC Posted May 23, 2015 Moderator Share Posted May 23, 2015 I think most are 3+4. 2+3 is the British option... No, there are 2 year undergrad and then 4 year med schools. Most which you apply for in high school. I wasn't saying there are 2+3 programs, which there aren't any of those in Britain either as they are 2+4, but that one is theoretically possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LESH Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 And as far as academia, those who can't do teach. Thanks for the motivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted May 26, 2015 Moderator Share Posted May 26, 2015 I went to the Hahnemann/drexel alumni reunion last night and had an interesting chat with the program director. They are starting a 2 year online DHSc for PAs next year with no on-campus requirements. Apparently this was the # 1 request of alumni on a survey they recently sent out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmdpac Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I went to the Hahnemann/drexel alumni reunion last night and had an interesting chat with the program director. They are starting a 2 year online DHSc for PAs next year with no on-campus requirements. Apparently this was the # 1 request of alumni on a survey they recently sent out. No kidding! Interesting. Did he say when they would have information available? Begin recruiting candidates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted May 26, 2015 Moderator Share Posted May 26, 2015 No kidding! Interesting. Did he say when they would have information available? Begin recruiting candidates? call the program. I think they will start classes in 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktheshark89 Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 This is great news^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalPA Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 ^^ very good news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted May 27, 2015 Moderator Share Posted May 27, 2015 apparently several other postgrad doctoral programs in the works as well .I heard a lot of rumblings at the aapa distinguished fellows reception tonight. once again, I think I was the youngest in the room by about a decade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktheshark89 Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 What other schools are developing post grad programs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalPA Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 EMED tell us more!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dndandrea Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I haven't had a chance to read everything in this thread, but I'm going to say what I said in my other thread. PA programs require more credits than BSN to DNP, BS to DPT, and more than any other regular doctorate degre I know of, but only awards students a masters degree. Why are you urging AAPA, schools, and whatever to extend our education even further just to make our degree comparable to those with doctorate degrees? We need a change of the standard degree from masters to doctorate, not more years of education (residency is a different story). Our standard degree will probably never change though because it's already too late. They only way they'll change it to a doctorate is if we add 1-2 more years of school... Which means we're still losing the battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalPA Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 ^^ you've answered your own question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACdan Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I haven't had a chance to read everything in this thread, but I'm going to say what I said in my other thread. PA programs require more credits than BSN to DNP, BS to DPT, and more than any other regular doctorate degre I know of, but only awards students a masters degree. Why are you urging AAPA, schools, and whatever to extend our education even further just to make our degree comparable to those with doctorate degrees? We need a change of the standard degree from masters to doctorate, not more years of education (residency is a different story). Our standard degree will probably never change though because it's already too late. They only way they'll change it to a doctorate is if we add 1-2 more years of school... Which means we're still losing the battle. This is my complaint. With most PA Master's programs at 2.5 years (some trending towards 3) and 100+ credit hours, we've surpassed most other doctorate programs and at least equalled 3-year med schools in terms of hours. Most PA programs now have a capstone research project and/or thesis. Awarding a master's instead of a doctorate must be politically and financially motivated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyM2 Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 This is my complaint. With most PA Master's programs at 2.5 years (some trending towards 3) and 100+ credit hours, we've surpassed most other doctorate programs and at least equalled 3-year med schools in terms of hours. Most PA programs now have a capstone research project and/or thesis. Awarding a master's instead of a doctorate must be politically and financially motivated.And further, think about the fact that naturopaths, both in states where they are licensed and those where they aren't, are "doctors" while PAs with a similar scope of practice are "assistants." The inconsistency boggles the mind. Maybe there should be a PA/ND degree so PAs can open their own independent practice and be called "doctor." Kidding, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted June 3, 2015 Moderator Share Posted June 3, 2015 And further, think about the fact that naturopaths, both in states where they are licensed and those where they aren't, are "doctors" while PAs with a similar scope of practice are "assistants." The inconsistency boggles the mind. Maybe there should be a PA/ND degree so PAs can open their own independent practice and be called "doctor." Kidding, of course. there are NP/ND programs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktheshark89 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Emed can you tell us what you know about which schools are developing doctorate programs and what if anything you know about the programs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted June 3, 2015 Moderator Share Posted June 3, 2015 Drexel is the only confirmed one. there is a lot of random mumbling going on at several other established and new programs. too early to comment specifically on those just in case they don't pan out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalPA Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Wish they'd come out with it already!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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