cbrsmurf Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 My first renewal is coming up, and based on my research it seems like employers typically reimburse or pay for DEA license renewal. I work for a private surgeon for a year now and am regularly prescribing controlled for post-op patients. I don't think this was addressed when I was hired and not in the hiring contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted March 3, 2015 Moderator Share Posted March 3, 2015 your primary job should cover your dea and state license fees. if you work per diem in another state(like I do) you will need to pay the 2nd state license and DEA yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolute Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 they should also cover any additional certs they require such as: ATLS, ACLS, PALS, NRP, BLS etc. If they agree, make these separate from your CME's. In my experience most employers do, however I had an employer that tried to make the DEA, state license and all the certs part of my CME's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolute Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 EM, having only worked in one state I thought the DEA license crossed state lines. is this not the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted March 4, 2015 Moderator Share Posted March 4, 2015 EM, having only worked in one state I thought the DEA license crossed state lines. is this not the case? nope. every state has different prescribing rules for PAs and each requires its own DEA. docs only need 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbrothers98 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 My first renewal is coming up, and based on my research it seems like employers typically reimburse or pay for DEA license renewal. I work for a private surgeon for a year now and am regularly prescribing controlled for post-op patients. I don't think this was addressed when I was hired and not in the hiring contract. I hear this a lot when the practice is a single specialist, PA hired to extend capabilities. Likely the practice (corporation) is paying for the surgeon's DEA and any other fees. This should be extended to you as the other prescriber in the practice. Since you are up for renewal, should take a good look at your entire compensation package and push for getting that paid. Good luck. G Brothers PA-C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolute Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 thanks EM, I was thinking that if one had a DEA license in one state for say sch. 2-5. and started working in another that only allows sch. 3-5 the license would be honored for 3-5 only with no need to pay the extra $$$ for a new DEA license. that sure makes it a bit prohibitive for folks that live/work near a border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paula Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 I just started in a new practice and had to renew my WI DEA. My MI DEA is still active. My collaborating physician was surprised when we started talking about the DEA license and I mentioned I had two of them. He did not know PA/NPs have to get a new DEA for each state they work in and I educated him on the state laws that govern us and explained the restrictions and issues PAs have to practice under. It's interesting that physicians in the trenches really have no idea who and what we are. I also educated the Regional VP of my group who is in the process of hiring the first PA (or NP) for a surgical ENT position. I encouraged him to hire a PA and hopefully he understands more about the PA profession now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suchregret17 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Hey guys, Sorry to bump this thread, but it is of the same topic. I pay for my DEA license and the hospital reimburses me after proving I paid for it. Which is a discussion of it's own. My issue is that the reimbursement is added into my check as part of gross income and therefore taxed again? Does that seem right? So I really don't get fully reimbursed and pay taxes on the money again........... Anyway, just curious if anyone had insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katera Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Hey guys, Sorry to bump this thread, but it is of the same topic. I pay for my DEA license and the hospital reimburses me after proving I paid for it. Which is a discussion of it's own. My issue is that the reimbursement is added into my check as part of gross income and therefore taxed again? Does that seem right? So I really don't get fully reimbursed and pay taxes on the money again........... Anyway, just curious if anyone had insight. They should add it as "special pay". Having said that, I pay my own which suuuuuuucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMtoPA Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Do you need a DEA per employer? I'm looking at getting one, but it looks like you have to list an employer on the application, which I don't really understand since every job posting I see says "DEA required." Which also seems weird since most of you are having your employers pay the fee. Incidentally, I work at a military hospital and don't need a DEA to write controlled meds (or rather, I use the facility's DEA number, I'm told) but if I have a patient go to a civilian pharmacy to fill the script, I have to have someone with an active DEA sign for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted March 23, 2017 Moderator Share Posted March 23, 2017 If you write scripts it should be paid for by the employer It is a reimbursement and therefor should NOT be taxed (they are forcing themselves and you to pay more taxes of they don't do it right) Primary job should ALWAYS pay for it It is MANDAOTRY that your employer pays it - in my mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWR Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 As a general rule, all licenses, needed to perform your job are paid by employer. Assuming it is a full time position. Even part time SHOULD be paid by employer. In that case you may have to pay and get reimbursed directly with no taxes. In today's world, you may need to remind the employer what IS EXPECTED of them so that YOU can generate all that money FOR them. I think on their part it is a great ROI for them!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beattie228 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Hey guys, Sorry to bump this thread, but it is of the same topic. I pay for my DEA license and the hospital reimburses me after proving I paid for it. Which is a discussion of it's own. My issue is that the reimbursement is added into my check as part of gross income and therefore taxed again? Does that seem right? So I really don't get fully reimbursed and pay taxes on the money again........... Anyway, just curious if anyone had insight. I pay my own and it is reimbursed after I submit a receipt. A bit annoying but it's free credit card points so it works out in my favor in the long run. It should be listed under 'Special Pay' and not as earned income. Most places will cut a separate check for the reimbursement to have a definitive line in the sand between reimbursements and earned pay. Also, I second the above advice in regards to employers covering DEA and licensing fees. It should be an industry standard that employers pay for these fees for full time providers. Accepting anything less than that sets a poor precedent for future clinicians to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
physasst Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 We get our DEA reimbursed by renewing it with our corporate credit cards. Then we submit for re-imbursement, which means it is not taxed. It's interesting, they will pay for DEA, but NOT for state license renewal or NCCPA renewal. Those are on the individual PA to take care of. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d2305 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I just pain $731 for my first dea license. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrsmurf Posted March 23, 2017 Author Share Posted March 23, 2017 By the way, I did get my employer to pay for it, even though they were hesitant. I basically told them it's fine if they don't want to renew, the surgeon can write for all the post-op controlled substances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weezianna Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Federal employee here. My DEA is fee exempt, can only be used at federal facilities They don't pay my license fees, NCCPA fees, or PANRE fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetMeOuttaThisMess Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Mine is free since I work for a local gov't agency. No grief from DEA with correctly submitted paperwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest UVAPAC Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Our hospital makes us pay for our own DEA license, CS license, and State License... It is a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted March 25, 2017 Moderator Share Posted March 25, 2017 Our hospital makes us pay for our own DEA license, CS license, and State License... It is a joke I would organize a general infomational session and have this stopped immediately they derive the benefit of your license, and DEA and they should be paying for it Just simply refuse to do it as a whole group.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katera Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 The days of this and other licenses being paid for are rapidly coming to an end guys. Welcome to the new world. Long live the old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check 2 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 I have two licenses due to the whole DO/MD thing and they don't get along in my state. Two separate boards. It is such complete nonsense. So, I had to pay for my MD/PA license just to keep it active for moonlighting and avoid recreating the wheel. I also had it for almost 20 years before working for a DO and wanted my track record intact. He pays for the DO/PA license. He pays for my DEA and it hasn't come up about moonlighting and I am not mentioning it..... I don't want him to ask for reimbursement for some percentage of the DEA if I work somewhere else XX% of the time. Hasn't happened yet but will. I negotiated my state chapter fees, AAPA and county medical society separate from my CME. My CME is only $1500 and this is a PANRE year so it will be used. One local corporate took away the county medical society benefit for providers and now it comes out of CME. HUGE hit to the county medical society since the whole town is run by basically two corporate monsters. They should support the county medical society or ask for a bulk bonus or something. The same corporate also split with the MAJOR insurance of the area and tons of patients can't go to their ERs anymore or their clinics - complete idiocy in a town this size. Folks show up at the ER for this corp - it is the better in town and then find out later that they aren't in network and get HUGE bills. The whole thing is lunacy. No one can get along and benefits for providers are going down the drain. One job I looked at recently doesn't have perks - the guy really wanted me to come - he offered me XX dollars extra per month TAXED to make up for the lack of bennies. GREAT. I would only get about 70-75% of the actual needed balance for CME, etc and perhaps end up with higher taxes because of "extra income". He seriously didn't get my angst at getting taxed benefits. Another vote for INDEPENDENT PA boards in all states with a national databank (something that could make NCCPA useful), reciprocity and easier ability to obtain a license in another state. I can hardly remember all the numbers I have to have - DO PA, MD PA, DEA, UPIN, NPI, Medicare, Medicaid, L&I, DOT and several others. And some are now duplicated because I have two freaking PA licenses in one state. We need a uniform national system databank that makes actually practicing medicine a tangible task. My crusty old 2 cents........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmood Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 MN. I pay for my state license. Hospital pays my DEA. I think the way they rationalize this is that my PA license was a required hiring prerequisite, while the DEA is something the hospital prefers that I have for the convenience of everyone. They also won't pay for professional associations or publications which is more annoying to me because I have leftover CME money almost every year that could easily be used for that if they allowed it. And it would benefit my entire office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas5814 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 nope. every state has different prescribing rules for PAs and each requires its own DEA. docs only need 1. Can you provide a little documentation to support this? DEA is provided by..well...the DEA and that is federal. Different states have additional requirements like here in Texas we used to have a DPS (state) certification/license but they recently did away with it. I have been a one state provider since I retired from the Army so I don't know for sure but it doesn't sound right to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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