curiousprepa Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Today I found out that PA's can not practice medicine under a chiropractor, or DC. What other types of physician titles can PA's practice medicine under? I know that they can practice under MD's and DO's. What about OD's, or optometry doctors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Chiros are not physicians. We can practice with any MD/DO as far as I know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mashlee Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Just an FYI, having a doctorate degree doesn't make someone a physician for example; PTs, chiropractors (PAs are more of physicians than chiropractors), optometrists, and pharmacists are not physicians. a physician completes 4 years of medical school and a 3+ year residency to earn that title, none of the other careers I've listed do that. Also, no sane PA would ever want to work under a chiropractor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primadonna22274 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Scope of practice for PAs is defined by the supervising physician who must be an MD or DO. Not a chiropractor, not a podiatrist, not a dentist, not an oral surgeon (unless a double-boarded ENT), and not an optometrist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACdan Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Also, no sane PA would ever want to work under a chiropractor. This. Why would one subject themselves to PA school in the first place if they wanted to work in chiro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted October 27, 2014 Moderator Share Posted October 27, 2014 I think a few states allow PAs to be supervised by podiatrists in a surgical setting. makes sense as they are first and foremost foot and ankle surgeons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primadonna22274 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 You're right E, a handful (very few) of states do allow PAs to work with podiatrists as first assists...but most do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilso2ar Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Currently in Michigan a PA can work with a DPM, but I think MAPA is trying to change that so that PAs can only work with MD/DO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navyflyPAC Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 You're right E, a handful (very few) of states do allow PAs to work with podiatrists as first assists...but most do not. Currently in Michigan a PA can work with a DPM, but I think MAPA is trying to change that so that PAs can only work with MD/DO. Yes they can in Michigan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curiousprepa Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 Thanks this was helpful. I will be looking at scope of practice in different states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrsmurf Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Today I found out that PA's can not practice medicine under a chiropractor, or DC. If I wanted to practice magic, I would have been apprenticed to a magician Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 If I wanted to practice magic, I would have been apprenticed to a magicianLol. I used this same phrase recently. A pt asked me if her Chinese herbs were good for her condition and I said "I dunno, I practice Medicine, not magic" lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treejay Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 ^^^^^^ whatever. keep an open mind. just because you don't know how to practice Chinese medicine or don't believe in it, doesn't make the entire field invalid. advocate, promote, and practice what you know and are trained in. don't discount other ways of doing things. chances are freaking excellent that some aspects of chinese medicine are effective. our profession is already ripe with arrogance. everyone already knows this. let's not add fuel to that misguided fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chazilla Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 ^^^^^^ whatever. keep an open mind. just because you don't know how to practice Chinese medicine or don't believe in it, doesn't make the entire field invalid. advocate, promote, and practice what you know and are trained in. don't discount other ways of doing things. chances are freaking excellent that some aspects of chinese medicine are effective. our profession is already ripe with arrogance. everyone already knows this. let's not add fuel to that misguided fire At some point plants, and herbs including eastern medicine have been derived and extracted, which then synthesized to become the pharmacology that we now know and prescribe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmj11 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 We can practice under DNPs can't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treejay Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 At some point plants, and herbs including eastern medicine have been derived and extracted, which then synthesized to become the pharmacology that we now know and prescribe. of course. big pharma hires lots of ethnobotanists whose mission is to head out and steal traditional old ancient remedies from natural products used by diverse cultures around the globe from the amazon to china. this is no secret, books written about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LKPAC Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 herbs are great for cooking. less so for treating disease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrsmurf Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 You know what we call herbs that work? Medicine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitcc1 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 How about psychiatrists or psychologists? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrsmurf Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Psychiatrists (MD/DO): yes Psychologists (PhD): no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmj11 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 What about Dr. J? Doc Holiday? Doc Watson? Doc Severinson? Dr. Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACdan Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 advocate, promote, and practice what you know and are trained in. don't discount other ways of doing things. chances are freaking excellent that some aspects of chinese medicine are effective. our profession is already ripe with arrogance. everyone already knows this. let's not add fuel to that misguided fire The entire concept of EVIDENCE based medicine requires that one discount therapies that have not been studied and evaluated in the proper methodology for their effectiveness & safety. You may not like how they're saying it, but really what they're saying is "there is no scientific evidence to support this claim/procedure/supplement". And I think medical providers have to be careful not to be overly PC when addressing homeopathy, herbal tx, etc. Because some people will take the lack of a flat out rebuttal as a ringing endorsement of their use. And that can be detrimental to both pt safety and health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curiousprepa Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share Posted October 31, 2014 Aren't PA's suppose to consider holisitic medicine as part of the assessment, the treatment, and the care of patients? I've read that herbs can interfere with therapeutic responses of medications and procedures. Is that something that PANCE or PANRE would focus on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrsmurf Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 What about Dr. J? Doc Holiday? Doc Watson? Doc Severinson? Dr. Who? no, no yes, no, maybe (not sure if aliens can be SP's) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted October 31, 2014 Moderator Share Posted October 31, 2014 no, no yes, no, maybe (not sure if aliens can be SP's) pretty sure dr watson doesn't hold a US license. neither does dr jekyl(although apparently he is sp for may pas). Doc severinson can be your sp if your scope of practice is playing awesome jazz.. Doc holiday has TB, so is likely an impaired practitioner. Dr Feelgood apparently can be an SP and run many pain clinics: start at 1:05: or how about this guy: ken jeong md, yup, it's true: http://www.npr.org/2014/04/05/299207403/ken-jeong-doctor-by-day-comedian-by-night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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