drjay88 Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 I got job offer as new grad in FM in Eastern Kentucky (rural clinic) 3 year contract 80K salary no health insurance have to see 35 patient per day , 5 days week , 15 days PTO 2 day CME no CME money . No malpractice coverage for first year. 2 years non compete law in same county and adjacent counties . I have 2 kids and wife and have tons of student loan . This is very low for a family of four . need advice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbrothers98 Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 malpractice insurance? overall i think this offer is terrible. george brothers pa-c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAAdmission Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Tell them to take a hike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradtPA Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Salary? Borderline. The rest is terrible. 2 years non-compete? have to see 35/day? No CME? No new grad should be forced to see 35/day, it's not safe. No insurance? Your family needs to be taken care of. I understand Eastern KY is poor and needs help but the nurses lobby owns the state, making life hard on PAs. Move if you have to its worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobuddy Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 I live and work in KY - this is not even close to an offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G. Davenport Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Don't take it. Go to http://www.healthecareers.com/aapa/search-jobs/ and look around. The offer you mention here is an insult. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted April 12, 2014 Moderator Share Posted April 12, 2014 Run, don't walk, away from this offer this is HORRIBLE 35/day - that is not ever reasonable no health insurance - BS Worst offer we have seen on this board in some time (oh yeah and that non-compete is likely illegal - depends on state law, but this is state law dependent..... horrible offer....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drjay88 Posted April 12, 2014 Author Share Posted April 12, 2014 They don,t even mention malpractice and it appears ....not . 35 patient if 3 patient per hour its 12 hour a day . They told me its best offer I can get in Kentucky .... Kentucky is NP state ...PAs have hard time to find jobs in Kentucky and if they find... probably like this .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick87 Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 They don,t even mention malpractice and it appears ....not . 35 patient if 3 patient per hour its 12 hour a day . They told me its best offer I can get in Kentucky .... Kentucky is NP state ...PAs have hard time to find jobs in Kentucky and if they find... probably like this .. 12 hours a day for 5 days? That's 60 hours a week (job and a half) for $80k. That's like $25 per hour. That's awful, man. You could do better than that...even in an NP friendly state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACdan Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 They told me its best offer I can get in Kentucky .... Kentucky is NP state ...PAs have hard time to find jobs in Kentucky and if they find... probably like this .. You are worth so much more than this as a PA-C. Even though I will not have to worry about this process for 3 years; this offer is beyond insulting and their attitude/offer seems downright abusive. Do yourself, your family, and your profession a huge favor and hold out for a real offer or move to a area with a real offer. You went through the rigors of PA school to practice medicine; not be treated like a peon. No health insurance offer, insane pt. load, barely two weeks off a year...with two kids? Hell to the NO. Sent from the Satellite of Love using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradtPA Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Something tells me the clinic is open 8-5. This will be closer to 10 min per patient,not 20. Even in KY I suspect you can do better. Heck, the military will do you much better, and pay your loans back too. There is nothing wrong with starting as a first lieutenant, getting health care for your family, and loans paid if your desperate, and then going back home to work in four years.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick87 Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Something tells me the clinic is open 8-5. This will be closer to 10 min per patient,not 20. Even in KY I suspect you can do better. Heck, the military will do you much better, and pay your loans back too. There is nothing wrong with starting as a first lieutenant, getting health care for your family, and loans paid if your desperate, and then going back home to work in four years.... This is true. I'm currently a 1st Lt in the Air Force. I see 18-20 patients per day (plus a million other duties). Plus we're a team. The docs here readily mentor me and I'm learning a ton. Definitely not a bad place to start my career. Also, it's a 3 year contract, not 4. Unfortunately, I don't think there's a loan repayment program (at least not in the AF). OP, you should do some research on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drjay88 Posted April 12, 2014 Author Share Posted April 12, 2014 I am Emergency care sergeant/combat medic US Army since 2008...current (Army Guard reserve)) Foreign Medical Grad with 6 years of Internal medicine and acute care experience .(passed all USMLE exam but no luck getting residency so chose PA path because ..residency is almost impossible to get ) ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amina Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 You are worth so much more than this as a PA-C. Even though I will not have to worry about this process for 3 years; this offer is beyond insulting and their attitude/offer seems downright abusive. Do yourself, your family, and your profession a huge favor and hold out for a real offer or move to a area with a real offer. You went through the rigors of PA school to practice medicine; not be treated like a peon. No health insurance offer, insane pt. load, barely two weeks off a year...with two kids? Hell to the NO. Sent from the Satellite of Love using Tapatalk THIS. ALL of this!! Couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drjay88 Posted April 12, 2014 Author Share Posted April 12, 2014 Guys... I am looking to get back active in military ...its worth to serve country ...and respected even the pay is less ..but I feel proud in my uniform and my family and kids are taken care by ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amina Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 I am Emergency care sergeant/combat medic US Army since 2008...current (Army Guard) Foreign Medical Grad with 6 years of Internal medicine and acute care experience .(passed all USMLE exam but no luck getting residency so chose PA path because ..residency is almost impossible to get ) But this job offer really made me think....... work at gas station cash and get food stamp , medicaid, SS. I will make more then this ... That quote makes me sad. You are highly trained and should be compensated accordingly. I think you have your answer. RUN. You are worth so much more than that insulting offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drjay88 Posted April 12, 2014 Author Share Posted April 12, 2014 .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primadonna22274 Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Oh HELL no! They know it's a crap offer and are trying to bully you into taking it. I wouldn't even respectfully turn that down--and I'm about as polite as they come! Tell them you know what you deserve and clearly if they don't see it they don't deserve YOU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrsmurf Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 I would tell them that their offer is too generous and counter-offer with a $40k salary and 50 pts/day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taotaox1 Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 The insane non-compete is VERY intentional in this offer. It is there to make sure you are trapped if they get you to sign. Work at Mcdonalds first. The offer is a sure sign this will be an abusive environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JMPA Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 sanitation workers earn more with better benefits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorGirl Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Move to NC. We have an extremely favorable work environment here. My first offer out of school, was a psych job taking home 50% of what we collect. My second is taking home 60% plus I am a partner in the business. They know what PA's are worth in NC and treat us accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myironlung Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 when sitting with them i would do one of those middle finger gags without saying a word, like showing them your closed fist and then winding up your middle finger with the other hand. Then just leave the room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialMedicine Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 that's insane. whoever owns the practice will easily make over 100K a year on you. you should propose 120K without benefits as a matter of principle. I hope you let him or her know how offensive the offer is. I wonder if this is a PA saturated area ? I bet NYC gets even worse since all the PA programs in that area are expanding at RAPID rates for more tuition income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drjay88 Posted April 12, 2014 Author Share Posted April 12, 2014 Kentucky is worst state in term of PA laws its does not allow PAs to write controlled substance prescription , we just get rid of Law which say New Grad PAs have to work with Physician in side building for 18 months before can work outside office as independent provider , 100% co-signing , etc . Eastern Kentucky is heavily prescription addition area so every practice depend on controlled substance prescription to have business and PAs are no use in this setting. As every one told its better to leave when you have so many odds against you ..I think its time to say good bye ..Kentucky ..People are nice in Kentucky and I love to work and serve but ..I have fewer choices as the offers I am getting here are as low as possible . Thanks guy for support and insight I was just inches away for signing the contract .. Oh..I almost forget to tell you guys that its 3 year contract which makes me sweat ...inside office ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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