Doodle Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I'm a PA of 5 years in a very PA unfriendly state and NPs are independent. I was an RN before becoming a PA and have kept my license active. Was wondering if anyone has attended NP school after PA? Just curious how admissions looked at it and how clinicals went. Maybe some tips on what to say when asked why the transition. The real reason being I've become exhausted with the "supervisory" relationship and considering opening a clinic. Not looking for a debate, just some people with experience. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted February 10, 2014 Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2014 I know folks (PAs with bsn) who have negotiated individual "bridge programs" in which they did no clinicals and took only np didactics that pas don't do (stuff on the profession mostly). took about a yr of part time coursework. this is on a very case by case basis of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doodle Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share Posted February 10, 2014 Thank you. I do have a BSN. PM sent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalPalm Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I know folks (PAs with bsn) who have negotiated individual "bridge programs" in which they did no clinicals and took only np didactics that pas don't do (stuff on the profession mostly). took about a yr of part time coursework. this is on a very case by case basis of course. Which school(s) did this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted February 10, 2014 Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2014 I believe my friend did this at davis when they were a combined pa/np program. he had to take a few nursing theory classes over a year or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paula Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 It's a sad commentary on the PA profession when we consider NP school. I do however support someone who needs more autonomy and has the ambition to start their own clinic AND has the PA experience and education. Good luck in your search for becoming an NP and possibly you could consider the PA-DO program at LECOM and become truly independent as a physician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 It's a sad commentary on the PA profession when we consider NP school. I do however support someone who needs more autonomy and has the ambition to start their own clinic AND has the PA experience and education. Good luck in your search for becoming an NP and possibly you could consider the PA-DO program at LECOM and become truly independent as a physician. A while back, I think, we had a half serious duscussion here about a PA-NP bridge. If it were merely a few months of online classes and a multiple choice test i'd do it in a heartbeat. A Clinician with PA training and NP clout, boy that'd be somethin' Sent by my Samsung S4 Active via Tapatalk 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted February 12, 2014 Moderator Share Posted February 12, 2014 If an NP program came up with a PA--> DNP to be completed teleconference and in 1-2 years part time - I would be the first in line!! As a non-nurse I would have to go though LPN-RN then NP..... Lecom would be a better route unless they came out with an NP bridge.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFarnsworth Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 I have a friend who is both an NP and a PA. She makes really good money and is in the OR and clinic (as a PA) as well as running women's heart health classes (as an NP). She is an employee of a hospital and makes a mint. It's a smart way to go and I wish I had done the same, sometimes. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpRegulated Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 I'm a PA of 5 years in a very PA unfriendly state and NPs are independent. I was an RN before becoming a PA and have kept my license active. Was wondering if anyone has attended NP school after PA? Just curious how admissions looked at it and how clinicals went. Maybe some tips on what to say when asked why the transition. The real reason being I've become exhausted with the "supervisory" relationship and considering opening a clinic. Not looking for a debate, just some people with experience. I doubt you'd have any problems with admissions. If you are asked why you want to be an NP, tell them you want more independence - they would probably like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpRegulated Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 I believe my friend did this at davis when they were a combined pa/np program. he had to take a few nursing theory classes over a year or so. Being able to skip clinicals would be highly unusual. Obviously, there is little need for an experienced PA to take the clinical courses in say, an FNP program, but for accreditation purposes, most, if not all schools, could not waive the requirements. Also, in other NP specialties, there is no corollary to the clinical portion of PA programs. I could see how UC Davis could have done it back in the day for FNP, but I don't believe they have a combined program anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorpsmanUP Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 UC Davis now has a nursing school, where all applicants apply through the PA admissions process. You either graduate as a PA, FNP, or PA/ FNP if you had an RN upon admissions. Coursework is the same first year regardless, the only difference is FNP only students just do 700 hours of clinicals vs. 2000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPAM Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 I really think that we should unify the licensing boards of both the pa and nps under one licensing board (not unifying the profession but just licensing boards) that way we get out of being under the medical board and lobby together with Np for collaboration and independence. And this unified licensing board would be responsible for accrediting and regulating pa and np programs and lobbying for mid level providers rights. Because honestly as Pas, i dont think we will ever have a strong lobbying group that nurses have unfortunately. And the bottom line in this country is legislation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACdan Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 I really think that we should unify the licensing boards of both the pa and nps under one licensing board (not unifying the profession but just licensing boards) that way we get out of being under the medical board and lobby together with Np for collaboration and independence. I don't think the nurses will go along with this. :) Sent from the Satellite of Love using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPAM Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 I don't think the nurses will go along with this. :) Sent from the Satellite of Love using Tapatalk I agree but we should try. I know so many NP whom dont mind being unified under one board. They will gain more strength. But if it doesnt workout then we should leave medical board and form our own and try to lobby for independence and collaboration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainer Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 I believe the AAPA needs to review the political landscape, state to state. They need to establish the doctorate as entry level for the same reasons every other allied health profession did. Identify a politically favorable environment (a few states) Channel funding for lobbying efforts into these state(s) for independence, separate boards, ect. Once successful, I suspect state to state legislation will manifest accordingly. That's essentially how the NPs went about it. Now efforts are underway in all states. (A name change should be part of the process. I believe well written legislation at the state level can avoid many of the issues with federally funded programs). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 I agree but we should try. I know so many NP whom dont mind being unified under one board. They will gain more strength. But if it doesnt workout then we should leave medical board and form our own and try to lobby for independence and collaboration What's in it for the NPs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainer Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 agree with above NP's are successful without us I'm sure they would happily supervise our efforts though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted February 16, 2014 Moderator Share Posted February 16, 2014 agree with above NP's are successful without us I'm sure they would happily supervise our efforts though never happen. we work with docs or we work alone. no middle ground. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetMeOuttaThisMess Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 EMEDPA, by the time all this gets worked out, you, I, and several of the older folks will be sitting beachside soaking up the sun (or maybe off on a mission trip if anyone would have us). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted February 16, 2014 Moderator Share Posted February 16, 2014 EMEDPA, by the time all this gets worked out, you, I, and several of the older folks will be sitting beachside soaking up the sun (or maybe off on a mission trip if anyone would have us). yup, I don't see full independent practice during my career but some of the younger guys coming out of residency now will probably see it. I think we will see collaboration replacing supervision across the board within 15 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainer Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 What is the difference b/t collaboration and supervision? And I think we could avoid degree creep if the AMA et al would assist PAs with a bridge to MD that gives us appropriate credit for our current training and education. I also agree that NP's will never supervise us, wouldn't make sense, but my point was I don't believe NPs have any meaningful interest in helping us with our own political motivations. On some level, they see us as direct competition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator True Anomaly Posted February 16, 2014 Moderator Share Posted February 16, 2014 What is the difference b/t collaboration and supervision? Collaboration implies that "I'm working WITH you" Supervision implies that "I'm your property and I work FOR you" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paula Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I believe the AAPA needs to review the political landscape, state to state. They need to establish the doctorate as entry level for the same reasons every other allied health profession did. Identify a politically favorable environment (a few states) Channel funding for lobbying efforts into these state(s) for independence, separate boards, ect. Once successful, I suspect state to state legislation will manifest accordingly. That's essentially how the NPs went about it. Now efforts are underway in all states. (A name change should be part of the process. I believe well written legislation at the state level can avoid many of the issues with federally funded programs). Michigan is attempting to do exactly what you have posted except for doctorate. The legislation is languishing and I suspect it is because the NPs have their own for complete independence. PAs is for collaboration, suspend supervision and delegation, require to work in collaborative team models (which would include NPs to work that way as well.......and is the downfall of the bill). It would give all PAs and NPs full prescribing rights without physician delegation. Also give PAs and NPs our own boards. A sweet deal......but don't think it will happen....yet. WIsh we had AAPA money behind us and the ability to change the bill before it went before the public health code committee and governor. I'm very frustrated with the whole process. I will be retired too before meaningful "autonomy"occurs but will keep pushing for the younger and newly graduated PAs and the profession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainer Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 It's a shame that AAPA is nowhere to be found AAPA should be dumping every resource they have into this bill Ultimately, it would create momentum and positive change in all states It's very good news that Michigan has it figured out with folks willing to fight And even more noble that your willing to fight for younger generations of PAs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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