Mainer Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 How much notice (time) do you give when leaving a job for a new position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmdpac Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Depends. Does your contract specify a time frame when giving notice? Mine does. Other contracts I've reviewed have stipulated a minimum amount of time required when giving notice of leaving the job. Most of the time frames involved have been 2-3 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainer Posted January 21, 2014 Author Share Posted January 21, 2014 No contract for mid-levels at my place of employment. Would like to leave on good terms (as would be judged by reasonable people). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted January 21, 2014 Moderator Share Posted January 21, 2014 No contract. then it depends if you want to burn any bridges or not....a min of a month would be nice if they have treated you fairly in the past. if they were evil to you and you can't see ever working there again or needing their reference then more like 2 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialMedicine Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 depends on the setting ... an emergency room which can easily fill shifts with per diem staff would not require more than 2-4 weeks depending on what you felt was reasonable. I have a private practice with 3 colleagues .... I would feel awful if I left them with anything less than 2-3 months. Enough time to hire and set up a replacement .... or at least be close to that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted January 21, 2014 Moderator Share Posted January 21, 2014 no less then the number of vacation weeks per year (4 as a min) in a pcp office where you follow and have your patients - probably double that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMD16 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Things can gets really messy if you're not careful. This folks are greedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted January 22, 2014 Moderator Share Posted January 22, 2014 no less then the number of vacation weeks per year (4 as a min) in a pcp office where you follow and have your patients - probably double that I would love 4 weeks vacation. I get 2. and have to give 90 days notice when I leave. this is an em position though so I can flex time my shifts as long as I work a min of 80 hrs/mo. This allows me to take lots of unpaid time off by grouping shifts. for example I could work the first 7 days of 1 month and the last 7 days of the next and take all the time in between off without pay and not lose my benefits. I have never done this but several of my (single/childless or older) colleagues have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primadonna22274 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I have always given, and been expected to give, 90 days notice in multiple EM and FM settings. Some have let me out earlier when they could accommodate it. Once I showed up to my ED shift and was told the contract was sold to another group and they didn't include me. That pissed me off. The poor desperate (and nearly useless) attending tried to get me to stay (please! I'll pay you out of my own pocket!)...sorry, no. I'm not working without malpractice coverage. Sheesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gleannfia Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I have always left a one-two month minimum notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UGoLong Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 The time frames people are talking about sound fine, but just a quick other perspective. If you are leaving to join another practice, you've got to take them into account as well. On one hand, they probably want you sooner rather than later and they may also judge your professionalism by how you treated your last employer when you left. I'm guess that 4-6 weeks might be where I'd settle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paula Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Unless it's a really bad situation and you need to pack up your office and sneak out at the end of the day. I've heard of it happening in a VERY, VERY, VERY, bad situation that put the PA at huge malpractice or fraud risk once she found out what was going on. Bye, bye with no notice but it saved her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainer Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 Thanks for the replies. Very helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewtonsApple Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 The ED I work recently switched companies so we just re-signed our contracts after negotiation, they require 90 days or you open yourself up to a lawsuit to pay compensation for any locum tenens hired until the position is filled. 90 days seems reasonable to me considering the length of time credentialing takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyPAC Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 I am also preparing to end my first position as a PA. Silly question, but should notice of resignation be given in writing or is verbal sufficient? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmdpac Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Put it in writing. That way there is no doubt about either the day you gave notice and when you told them your last day would be. That and it's just more professional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyblu Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 My contract specifies 90 days. It takes a long time to get privileges at some hospitals, so even if they hired another candidate today, they might not be able to start working for a couple of months. I was hired in mid December and had all my paperwork together, was super on top of it (because I was broke and needed to start a job!), and I was able to start February 1st, which everyone in my group said was quite unusual. You can't expect on per diems to cover your shifts, even in EM. Most have other jobs and don't have as much flexibility. We just had a PA give only 30 days and it really screwed the whole group over. PAs and physicians are all working crazy hours to cover for her lack of thoughtfulness. Not to mention, she had to pay a huge fine as per our contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted January 25, 2014 Moderator Share Posted January 25, 2014 it is nice to give 90 days but in an unfriendly work place this might not be reasonable I had told a job i was looking (in ER) with a 90 day cancellation in my contract, well they decided to try to say I was done in 4 weeks! I reminded them that I was under contract and that I would expect this to be honored. At a different job I had an 8 week notice - that was a LONG 8 weeks... my points 1)their is very little honor or obligation on the parts of the employer so don't go overboard on the honorable way.... be upfront and honest but don't expect an employer to be overly honorable - they might just want you to go away 2) anything longer then 4 weeks can be a LONG time if the employer decides to make it tough on you..... 3) the most important thing is making sure you get a good reference - don't destroy many years of hard work with leaving poorly!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myironlung Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 30 days if you may need something from them in the future. 2 weeks otherwise.....except if they were straight up a-holes. then leave randomly at the worst time possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UGoLong Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 My advice: be your own person and be true to yourself. There is no guarantee how anyone will act in any situation except for you, so strive to be true to your own values. If they act nicely, then great. You might even negotiate a mutually acceptable departure date like adults. If instead they choose to act like idiots, well at least you did your part. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainer Posted February 3, 2014 Author Share Posted February 3, 2014 Curious For those that leave on unfavorable terms Who do you use for references for future jobs and credentialing. Don't employers often contact your previous employers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UGoLong Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 They do. For legal reasons, many organizations release limited information, such as when you worked there and in what capacity. That is no guarantee they won't say more but I wouldn't stay somewhere because of fear of what they might say if I left. It does suggest that leaving on an adult basis is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMD16 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Curious For those that leave on unfavorable terms Who do you use for references for future jobs and credentialing. Don't employers often contact your previous employers? Yes they do. Most would call all the places you've worked. Others, would contact the references you provided. Don't burn your bridges. Getting credential in related field, may certainly depend on references/credentialing forms to be completed by your past employer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainer Posted February 4, 2014 Author Share Posted February 4, 2014 That's what I thought! Seems foolish to leave on unfavorable terms if it's avoidable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted February 4, 2014 Moderator Share Posted February 4, 2014 For a few years (4) I changed jobs yearly for different reasons (tried suspeciality medicine and didn't like it and CRAZY SPs) I had this issue and this is the way I handled it #1 - acting as professional as possible, Work extra hard and go the extra mile to make sure I did everything possible to leave on a good note #2 - you can choose who you have as references - don't ignore this - there is always at least one doc that i got along with great and that was my reference. #3 - my issues with the bad employer were typically about non HR issues and therefore HR (who I buttered up and played nice with) was a reliable reference #4 - as a side note - many big corporations have no recommendation policies - they will only verify employment - check into it #5 - ASK a specific person to write you recommendation letter - it is one that you want to read - but it puts the good side of things on paper. Sometimes people will put nice things on paper when the work place has not been great - just to keep things happy Above all act like a professional - I always did this and even the jobs I left I was able to get okay recommendations from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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