Physician Assistant Awareness Survey

[bsady]

I'm just posting an email that was sent to me today from one of the members of the Portland-Vancouver PA Society (OR/WA). I still get the emails so I thought I would forward this on for your thoughts. I removed the writer's identifiers as s/he may wish to remain anonymous. There was some support for this view, and another PA dinosaur and someone I very much respect told me that he had concerns that the survey is misleading esp. regarding specialty PAs. I admit I know very little about specialty PAs since I've always been a primary care PA (and my argument is that EM is pretty darn close to primary care these days) so hopefully some of you specialty PAs will know what he means by this.
I'll change the font below so you'll know what the other writer said.
Thanks,
Lisa

Colleagues,

I would caution people to stop and think a moment about what surveys they are filling out. Who is sponsoring the survey? What is being done with the data? How is your information being used once the survey has been completed? These are serious questions in my mind and I will not fill out any survey which does not clearly outline the purpose of the survey, who is sponsoring it, how to contact the person who wrote the survey if I have any questions and will I receive any feedback for my efforts. Just and FYI.

The problem with identifying who the survey is sponsored by and what the info will be used for is that it can prejudice the answers. The entire point of doing the study is to get real subjective data about how PAs feel about different topics. That's why companies like surveymonkey exist. The link is to their site. No PA will give biased answers. That's the point. We are up to over 320 responses with only a few criticisms....not bad. Feel free to forward this to those PAs. Tell them to sign onto the forum and discuss the issues they have with me here on this thread.

[primadonna22274]

Brian...I did just what you suggested, actually before I posted this response for ya. But you know what, it did get me just steamed enough to get me to join NAPA and pay the fellow fees...and hope my employer will reimburse me later (FWIW, the responder is coming from the academic side of the fence)

The problem with identifying who the survey is sponsored by and what the info will be used for is that it can prejudice the answers. The entire point of doing the study is to get real subjective data about how PAs feel about different topics. That's why companies like surveymonkey exist. The link is to their site. No PA will give biased answers. That's the point. We are up to over 320 responses with only a few criticisms....not bad. Feel free to forward this to those PAs. Tell them to sign onto the forum and discuss the issues they have with me here on this thread.

[EMEDPA]

prima- see my answer there to john and dana.-e

[primadonna22274]

E--saw it, thanks; I answered also but there's always such a lag...might show up in a few days!

prima- see my answer there to john and dana.-e

[PACPhD]

I was the one who sent out the survey to about 900 people. I know who it was who complained. He was an academic PA. He even too the time to ask where I got his address, then called the AAPA and filed a complaint against me for getting his address from them. They send me a nastygram telling me I needed to tell him I didn't get his address from them. If you go to their site, they list PAs e-mail addresses, and all of the members have the choice of not listing their addresses. What is is these people are so afraid of with our organization. You would think we are doing something really underhanded and detrimental to the PA profession. These people need to get out more often.

[primadonna22274]

Just the messenger here, just the messenger...not MY viewpoints, just said I would pass them along.
I agree with you though
L.

. These people need to get out more often.

[bsady]

Just the messenger here, just the messenger...not MY viewpoints, just said I would pass them along.
I agree with you though
L.

Prima...don't worry..we know your passing the messages along and that's a good thing. We need to be aware of any attacks on us so we can put the squash on them quickly. You can always email steve and I at the NAPA site or PM us here. Thanks so much for joining. I get so excited everytime we get a new member....We'll talk soon..
Brian

[bsady]

officially closed out this study...see results under the new thread.
B

[Monica]

officially closed out this study...see results under the new thread.
B

Here's the link: PA Survey Results

[bsady]

Yeah..I would say that this fits with the results of the NAPA survey..AAPA must be smoking something...

[bsady]

Yeah..I would say that this fits with the results of the NAPA survey..AAPA must be smoking something...

From Advance for PAs Blog:
Some L.A. PAs Lose ED Privileges
Wednesday, Jun 27
By Terri Schaefer
at 9:34 AM
The Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors has recently been discussing the role of PAs at Martin Luther King Jr.-Harbor Hospital. The following discussions that display a lack of understanding are from the June 12 meeting. Zev Yaroslavsky is the chairman of the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors and Antoinette Epps is the CEO of the hospital.
SUP. YAROSLAVSKY, CHAIRMAN: WHAT-- IS A PHYSICIAN ASSISTANT, ON THE FOOD CHAIN, AT A HIGHER PLACE THAN THE PARAMEDIC? OR BELOW A PARAMEDIC?
ANTOINETTE EPPS: I WOULD SAY AT A HIGHER PLACE THAN A PARAMEDIC. THEY HAVE MORE TRAINING THAN A PARAMEDIC HAS.
SUP. YAROSLAVSKY, CHAIRMAN: WHAT IS THE EDUCATIONAL REQUIREMENT FOR PHYSICIAN ASSISTANT? THEY NEED TO HAVE A BACHELOR'S OF SCIENCE DEGREE IN SOMETHING?
ANTOINETTE EPPS: GENERALLY, THEY HAVE A BACHELOR'S OF SCIENCE DEGREE AND THEN MANY OF THEM GO TO PHYSICIAN ASSISTANT SCHOOL, A TRAINING PROGRAM. IS THAT TWO YEARS OR FOUR YEARS? I DON'T REMEMBER.
SUP. YAROSLAVSKY, CHAIRMAN: CAN THEY GIVE SHOTS?
ANTOINETTE EPPS: THEY CAN DO CERTAIN TYPES OF TREATMENTS UNDER PROTOCOL THAT IS-- THEY RECEIVE SOMETHING THAT WE CALL PRACTICE PREROGATIVES THAT SAY THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT THEY CAN DO AND THEN WE CAN ESTABLISH PROTOCOLS THAT THEY USE THAT SAY THAT, IF A PATIENT COMES IN WITHIN THIS-- AND HAS THIS NARROW SET OF PRESENTING SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS, DO A OR DO B OR DO C. IF THE PATIENT HAS SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THAT NARROW SET OF SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS, THEY HAVE TO CONSULT THE PHYSICIAN, EVEN IF THEY HAVE A PREROGATIVE OR PROTOCOL IN PLACE. THERE ARE ONLY CERTAIN THINGS THEY CAN DO.
During the June 19 meeting, it was announced that P

[Monica]

From Advance for PAs Blog:
Some L.A. PAs Lose ED Privileges
Wednesday, Jun 27
By Terri Schaefer
at 9:34 AM
The Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors has recently been discussing the role of PAs at Martin Luther King Jr.-Harbor Hospital. The following discussions that display a lack of understanding are from the June 12 meeting. Zev Yaroslavsky is the chairman of the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors and Antoinette Epps is the CEO of the hospital.
SUP. YAROSLAVSKY, CHAIRMAN: WHAT-- IS A PHYSICIAN ASSISTANT, ON THE FOOD CHAIN, AT A HIGHER PLACE THAN THE PARAMEDIC? OR BELOW A PARAMEDIC?
ANTOINETTE EPPS: I WOULD SAY AT A HIGHER PLACE THAN A PARAMEDIC. THEY HAVE MORE TRAINING THAN A PARAMEDIC HAS.
SUP. YAROSLAVSKY, CHAIRMAN: WHAT IS THE EDUCATIONAL REQUIREMENT FOR PHYSICIAN ASSISTANT? THEY NEED TO HAVE A BACHELOR'S OF SCIENCE DEGREE IN SOMETHING?
ANTOINETTE EPPS: GENERALLY, THEY HAVE A BACHELOR'S OF SCIENCE DEGREE AND THEN MANY OF THEM GO TO PHYSICIAN ASSISTANT SCHOOL, A TRAINING PROGRAM. IS THAT TWO YEARS OR FOUR YEARS? I DON'T REMEMBER.
SUP. YAROSLAVSKY, CHAIRMAN: CAN THEY GIVE SHOTS?
ANTOINETTE EPPS: THEY CAN DO CERTAIN TYPES OF TREATMENTS UNDER PROTOCOL THAT IS-- THEY RECEIVE SOMETHING THAT WE CALL PRACTICE PREROGATIVES THAT SAY THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT THEY CAN DO AND THEN WE CAN ESTABLISH PROTOCOLS THAT THEY USE THAT SAY THAT, IF A PATIENT COMES IN WITHIN THIS-- AND HAS THIS NARROW SET OF PRESENTING SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS, DO A OR DO B OR DO C. IF THE PATIENT HAS SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THAT NARROW SET OF SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS, THEY HAVE TO CONSULT THE PHYSICIAN, EVEN IF THEY HAVE A PREROGATIVE OR PROTOCOL IN PLACE. THERE ARE ONLY CERTAIN THINGS THEY CAN DO.
During the June 19 meeting, it was announced that P

I'm speechless....

[primadonna22274]

Oh Good God almighty....
One of my classmates last I heard was chief PA of emergency services at one of the EDs in Modesto I think...this baffles me that people are so clueless....
Ugh.

I'm speechless....

[gracy]

Hi,
This is alora.This study of public attitudes toward physicians assistants and nurse practitioners finds that the public regards the two groups of health workers as remarkably similar.

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alora

Surveys

[mdjkim]

When and where will the results of this survey get posted?